remove the relic tower?

BattleSkarz · Post by **BattleSkarz** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:35 pm

i was just wondering if maybe it would be possible to remove the giant tower on relic. i know you can't add to bsp's, but can you subtract from them?

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:49 pm

I do not believe so.

For instance...

Even with part of it gone, the collision is still there.

But I don't know, someone may be able to remove the collision, and bam, you can get rid of parts of it.

SkgSkrillaka · Post by **SkgSkrillaka** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:28 pm

Aumaan what did you remove exactly to make most of the tower dissapear in the image you supplied?
surely some reflexives or something in the chunk/s you deleted/nulled would point to a collision reflexive?

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:39 pm

I have no idea. Tried to skin with Prey's Prophet, but it started freakin' out on me.

Some random shaders, I'd guess.

newbymodder · Post by **newbymodder** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:40 pm

only thing i thought that for sure u can get rid of is the ramps on the sides of the front because in ctf for example there not there, same with coag. But im pretty sure you can't null the collision ect for the tower only shaders and stuff.

ogrish · Post by **ogrish** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:24 pm

I can probly remove it for you, but it will create a death zone in its place.

SkgSkrillaka · Post by **SkgSkrillaka** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:49 am

put a fence around it and a sign saying don't go here

Shock120 · Post by **Shock120** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:35 am

SkgSkrillaka wrote:put a fence around it and a sign saying don't go here

lol

That will only make the people more curious/interested.

. Doffy · Post by **. Doffy** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:27 am

SkgSkrillaka wrote:put a fence around it and a sign saying don't go here

You can make a minefield or somthing:P

kibito87 · Post by **kibito87** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:38 am

newbymodder wrote:only thing i thought that for sure u can get rid of is the ramps on the sides of the front because in ctf for example there not there, same with coag. But im pretty sure you can't null the collision ect for the tower only shaders and stuff.

I believe those ramps are scenery and are only set to spawn on slayer. So yes they can be removed or even checked off for other gametypes if you wanted.

And I believe it is possible to null the collision on the tower. Now it would take forever to guess and check but it's possible. Each side of it's got it's own face. So no modding program will tell you which face it is in the map because it's got no string id. So lots of guess and checking. If you used a program called "bsp master". I don't remember who made it but I believe you can use this program to flip verts and faces on the bsp. Somebody correct me if you think i'm wrong.

SkgSkrillaka · Post by **SkgSkrillaka** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:46 pm

Shock120 wrote:lol
That will only make the people more curious/interested.

Surely a big hole wouldn't attract much of a lengthy attention span

Maybe put a banshee sitting in there haha

Kibito87 wrote:If you used a program called "bsp master". I don't remember who made it but I believe you can use this program to flip verts and faces on the bsp.

I believe DaWandererLee released BSP Master
I'm not sure if that was the authors original halomods profile though.
Credits to them it's a great program =]

http://forums.halomods.com/viewtopic.php?t=37171

BattleSkarz · Post by **BattleSkarz** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:05 am

on second thought, a big hole would look really stupid, and i probably would have no way of filling it in. so i'm just going to need to block it off. i can remove the ramps, but how might i put in some kind of wall to block off the other entrances?

just by the way, i'm making a warthogs only map, and the tower would only enable people to be... really lame.

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:29 pm

Use the gate from Delta Halo?

Shock120 · Post by **Shock120** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:33 pm

Aumaan Anubis wrote:Use the gate from Delta Halo?

or he can has cubes?

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:59 pm

sure.

BattleSkarz · Post by **BattleSkarz** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:15 pm

hmmm... i can has cubes... but i won't be able to block off the ramps with cubes (at least keeping it reasonably looking) unless... can i make them invisible?

kibito87 · Post by **kibito87** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:46 pm

BattleSkarz wrote:can i make them invisible?

Why yes you can.

ogrish · Post by **ogrish** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:24 am

Ifyou use bsp master for lets say lowering the collision down to ground level then null the shaders for the base. It would seem to be gone.
But as i said there would be a unmovable, death barrier where the collision used to be. You could block it off with mach's or bloc's.
But if you pass thru any area where collision was altered, killed by guardians.

SkgSkrillaka · Post by **SkgSkrillaka** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:39 pm

you could call it the "invisible death alter of doom"
that'll make them understand why they are dying

skgskrillaka wrote:oh and thank you skgskrillaka for finding Bsp Master for everyone

me wrote:No problem mate