An open discussion.

Argon · Post by **Argon** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:39 am

Tural wrote:For the record, anyone posting about modifying screenshots here will be banned.

Why is that?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:47 am

Idiots are irresponsible.
Screenshots can show anything, anything. We refuse to condone such images being created, and especially hosted on Bungie's server. There is absolutely no reason someone would need to modify a screenshot. As we won't allow them on Bungie's File Shares and such, we'd only be condoning people use them on their own console, and that would be pointless. The cons severely outweigh the pros.

xzodia · Post by **xzodia** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:03 am

Correct me is I'm wrong but aren't the DLC maps stored in CON files? Thus making it possible to mod them?

Eaton · Post by **Eaton** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:08 am

xzodia wrote:Correct me is I'm wrong but aren't the DLC maps stored in CON files? Thus making it possible to mod them?

They are in LIVE files. And even if it were a CON, the maps would still need resigning.

But this is an issue we have here. I've heard that these resigners are offline resigners only though...

Glitch101 · Post by **Glitch101** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:16 am

To my knowledge these resigners don't require a server connection - hence they cant be offline.[/b]

sneakyn8 · Post by **sneakyn8** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:17 am

mxrider108 wrote:
sneakyn8 wrote:i think that halomods should just allow usermaps and not resigners/container files
A usermap IS a container file.

woops i meant variant files

DHalo · Post by **DHalo** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:35 am

If I'm not mistaken, a variant file is ALSO a CON file. From what I've gathered, and correct me if I'm wrong, a CON file is a file type that encapsulates custom content on your Xbox. The signature in the file must match your Xbox's CON signature, though. That's why gamesaves do not work across all 360s.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:38 am

DHalo wrote:The signature in the file must match your Xbox's CON signature, though. That's why gamesaves do not work across all 360s.

The profile and device IDs must match. They can be easily changed, and then you resign the container and it works.

mxrider108 · Post by **mxrider108** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:38 am

kornman00 wrote:
mxrider108 wrote: A usermap IS a container file.
no, usermaps are stored IN a container file.

If you are going to argue semantics, then no, you are wrong. The files beginning with the text "usermap" ARE con files. The data within theses con files, sandbox.map, contains the forge variant data, and are not con files. All this I'm sure you know, but I'm making it clear for the first guy.

DHalo · Post by **DHalo** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:42 am

Tural wrote:
DHalo wrote:The signature in the file must match your Xbox's CON signature, though. That's why gamesaves do not work across all 360s.
The profile and device IDs must match. They can be easily changed, and then you resign the container and it works.

Those two values should speak for themselves. I'm guessing you have to grab a file from your 360 to retrieve the DID?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:49 am

DHalo wrote:Those two values should speak for themselves. Profile = Gamertag, Device ID is a special ID given to each individual box. I'm guessing you have to grab a file from your 360 to retrieve the DID?

No.
Profile ID is a value that is unique to each profile. It is not your gamertag.
Device ID is not the console, it is the storage device. It can be a hard drive, memory card, whatever. They have individual device IDs.
Both values can be found in any container generated by the console.

PID Len: 8
DID Len: 14

PID Loc: 0x00000371
DID Loc: 0x000003FD

DHalo · Post by **DHalo** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:52 am

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

SPARTAN-OMEGA · Post by **SPARTAN-OMEGA** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:29 am

Veegie wrote:
SPARTAN-OMEGA wrote:You wouldnt be able to cheat with a CON mod, seeing how its a cache file, not a .map
Except for hacking achievements in every Xbox 360 title ever released and all...
Don't post if you don't know what the ***.

If you read his post he meant MM mods, and if you read some of my post Ive already discussed achievement hacking as a negative...

Post by **grimdoomer** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:55 am

SPARTAN-OMEGA wrote:
Veegie wrote:
SPARTAN-OMEGA wrote:You wouldnt be able to cheat with a CON mod, seeing how its a cache file, not a .map
Except for hacking achievements in every Xbox 360 title ever released and all...
Don't post if you don't know what the ***.
If you read his post he meant MM mods, and if you read some of my post Ive already discussed achievement hacking as a negative...

Hacking achievements is cheating, your cheating to get more gamer score >_>

SPARTAN-OMEGA · Post by **SPARTAN-OMEGA** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:31 pm

I know it is but the person my original post was meant for was talking about MM mods in Halo 3 and I was telling him thats a .map mod not a CON mod...

Post by **grimdoomer** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:51 pm

SPARTAN-OMEGA wrote:I know it is but the person my original post was meant for was talking about MM mods in Halo 3 and I was telling him thats a .map mod not a CON mod...

Well there are .map files in CON files, so you should be more specific.

jimmygoon · Post by **jimmygoon** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:17 pm

@DHalo, it's worth noting that the keyvault necessary for retrieving your private/public keys for CONtainers is not something that is easily accessed via Xsata. You will need to build/make/fashion a NAND dumper to retrieve it or use the others as long as they remain unbanned.

I'm also curious as to what the "offline indicates". I... know someone trying to download the existing modded maps that Anthony had released and some of them wouldn't even transfer properly... but offline does not indicate that they can't be put on Bungie's fileshare as we've seen Anthony's content spread there (yes, I know we shouldn't upload any new content) and we also know from other details that they are playable online, so maybe the offline just indicates that they should be used offline, else the KV will be banned? Not entirely sure though.

How's the neutered resigner coming?

SPARTAN-OMEGA · Post by **SPARTAN-OMEGA** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:48 pm

grimdoomer wrote:
SPARTAN-OMEGA wrote:I know it is but the person my original post was meant for was talking about MM mods in Halo 3 and I was telling him thats a .map mod not a CON mod...
Well there are .map files in CON files, so you should be more specific.

Theyre cache files, not an actually .map with a BSP and every tag for that map

DHalo · Post by **DHalo** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:51 pm

Is it completely impossible to use XSATA? Or must you chip your 360 to get a dump?

SPARTAN-OMEGA · Post by **SPARTAN-OMEGA** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:56 pm

Neither, go to xboxscenes to learn about the KK exploit and whatever else is required to obtain it seeing how I dont think this site condones discussion of the process to obtain a NAND dump