*almost whispering* Why...?

[Philly]

Sorry. I apologise and regret my actions.

[Guest]

this is just horrible especially when you live with animals surrounding you.... this man should be sentenced to death killing a animal is just as bad as killing a human, i think if a animal or human is killed it should be given the same urgency as the president being assassinated whats the big deal with him hes just like all of us if we got murdered fbi wouldn't give a hoot. but when some fancy rich guy gets murdered they have the whole country after the murderer.
are Justice system is flawed.
are government is flawed.
we can just hope that this man gets what he deserves.

[SHOUTrvb]

Mike, those statements are filled with a lot of ignorance. Especially on the matter at hand. This isn't even an American issue. What the man did was pretty awful, and I believe a fitting punishment is in order, but if what ever happens to him isn't something you agree with, you can't really just blame their government. He will be processed with a very large legal mark on his record at the least. And I doubt life will ever be very nice for him if he chooses to continue to live at his current home. Life just got rough for him, so justice will be served in its own way. Try to keep moral bias limited, just as well as restraining political view. If only because this isn't a political matter, and shouldn't be treated as a moral matter.

[metkillerjoe]

This thread has been jumping on and off the death penalty, hypocrisy, PETA, and emo-ism (thank you Yamaguchi for that note ).

I feel terrible for the animals, but I also feel bad that people have used this thread to express things it shouldn't have warranted.

On another note, Mike, please, read the article and where it takes place before you start making statements.

[Dead XXX Matt]

its fucked up. really fucked up, they dont treat us like shit, why do people do this to them? heres one of the worst ive ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcgmTwBlyfQ

you need a youtube account to watch it. now im gonna warn you, its one of the most messed up things you'll watch, and you might not even be able to eat meat, i mean its shocking. i eat meat and this had me worried for a while. and remember, all those animals are alive during EVERYTHING! even to removing the skin, as you might see if you watch it. its sooo sad.. so sad

and before anyone gets into this, yeah, we're animals and we eat other animals. but think about it.. are we supposed to be so full of hate to the animals? kill them as fast as possible, not tear their skin off as their alive. i believe we are animals, and only animals. yeah were smarter but that doesnt mean a damn thing, besides that we should be able to think of ways besides torture. this is just wrong, and if there is a hell then this should be its one way ticket. so why DO we do this to animals? supposingly some people think its just fun, and makes them feel mighty. or like in the video i posted earlier, its for the taste of food, they believe that the more suffering/adrenaline a animal has before its death, the better they taste. its disgusting.

[GametagAeonFlux]

Food chain. Killing something is just killing something, as awful as that sounds. Starving an animal to death is stupid and pointless, I'll agree with that, but everything else...I don't care how it gets on my plate, and neither should you.

Reality check, animals eat other animals alive and do pretty "awful" things to one another, quit crying about it.

[JK-47]

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[preston566]

Yeah. People who torture any living soul deserve nothing but pure Hell.
And though God would forgive them, I would not. To prevent horrid death, heres what I think. If the animal is not immediatly killed or
instantaneously killed, I believe that the people... wait, no, thats murder
sorry. Still, Hell awaits them.

with regret,
preston556

Edit:

That's great... Yeah, especially because it's not even our government. This took place in England. That was probably the worst post in this topic, I don't even feel like arguing with you over the things you just said.

..... does that even matter? To hell with our government, their doing a shitty job anyway. It doesn't change the fact that something died horribly
because of the hands other than God's. I'm not a hippy, but am
getting help for this kinda thing. Almost lit a kid on fire cause he
was talking about how torture is funny.

[Dead XXX Matt]

my food can get on my plate any ways, but its jsut messed up. some of the time these animals arent even used for food. just decoration, or maybe jsut to do it. roadkill isnt always an accident (even though it usually does get eaten and it usually is a quick death)

i dunno though. maybe you just dont got feelings for other things. im no peta activist or anything, but i do think that this whole animal torture thing is fucked up. honestly, with how much complaining people give on how humans are more "smarter" and "reasonable" and whatnot, then how is this not against that? we ARE animals, but last time i checked, a lion killed a zebra pretty painlessly.. not COMPLETELY, im sure the zebra went through lots of pain, but comparing that to what these dogs and cats go through, its nothing. hey, americans do it too. not usually.. USUALLY as bad, but we do dogs and cats. usually its cows and chickens though, and when they say NO PAIN.. how can you prove that? How do you figure this out? Honestly, theres no positive way. just go fast as possible.

and how about you fuckin people choose one, think like an animal or think as a "human". i put perspectives for both, but you people seem to not be able to make up your mind. yes, were animals, so we eat others. but then half of you say BLAH BLAH GOVERNMENT, DEATH, BLAH BLAH BLAH! yeah, they died jsut cuz this guys a total ASSHOLE, but its not much different. think of it

Don't flamebait. -GTAF

[preston566]

I like your arguement. Makes alot of sense.
Kinda throws things into perspective, huh?

[JK-47]

Edit: That's great... Yeah, especially because it's not even our government. This took place in England. That was probably the worst post in this topic, I don't even feel like arguing with you over the things you just said.

..... does that even matter? To hell with our government, their doing a sh*ty job anyway. It doesn't change the fact that something died horribly
because of the hands other than *******'s. I'm not a hippy, but am
getting help for this kinda thing. Almost lit a kid on fire cause he
was talking about how torture is funny.

You obviously missed my point. I wasn't even talking about the government doing a bad job.

my food can get on my plate any ways, but its jsut messed up. some of the time these animals arent even used for food. just decoration, or maybe jsut to do it. roadkill isnt always an accident (even though it usually does get eaten and it usually is a quick death)

i dunno though. maybe you just dont got feelings for other things. im no peta activist or anything, but i do think that this whole animal torture thing is *** up. honestly, with how much complaining people give on how humans are more "smarter" and "reasonable" and whatnot, then how is this not against that? we ARE animals, but last time i checked, a lion killed a zebra pretty painlessly.. not COMPLETELY, im sure the zebra went through lots of pain, but comparing that to what these dogs and cats go through, its nothing. hey, americans do it too. not usually.. USUALLY as bad, but we do dogs and cats. usually its cows and chickens though, and when they say NO PAIN.. how can you prove that? How do you figure this out? Honestly, theres no positive way. just go fast as possible.

and how about you *** people choose one, think like an animal or think as a "human". i put perspectives for both, but you people seem to not be able to make up your mind. yes, were animals, so we eat others. but then half of you say BLAH BLAH GOVERNMENT, DEATH, BLAH BLAH BLAH! yeah, they died jsut cuz this guys a total ****, but its not much different. think of it

Oh wow.

[Aumaan Anubis]

Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit your dog would go in and you would stay out. Of all the creatures ever made man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the only one that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain.

[metkillerjoe]

Yes, there is a fine line between what we can and cannot do with animals.

Without going into any theory, which would no doubt stir even more controversy, animals should not be tortured. Period. People want to say that you cannot define torture, but I say, nay, you can. It is quite simple. You think of torture as a perversion of punishment (a really bad punishment like the iron maiden).

These horses went through the same kind of painful slow torture. They were starved until they could no longer physical function properly and they were physcologically damaged.


Now, please, if you want to talk about PETA, go to their website, but in this forum it just begs for flaming. If you want to talk about politics and how bad the government is, send a letter to your senator, because otherwise, you are just ranting, IMO.

[CabooseJr]

Ughh, Why do people do this shit?

[Geo]

Some people's arguments here are almost laughable.

[Kirk]

heh...

DeadXXXMatt, that's nature. This isn't. Last I heard, Lions aren't taking a herd of Zebras and putting them in the pen to starve to death, then not doing anything with it. No, a Lion will take one zebra at a time, and this'll fill it pretty good for a bit. Same goes with our cows. They are fed, then eaten. The horses described did neither. This should be self evident.

[Dead XXX Matt]

maybe i was misunderstood. im saying, we're not doing the natural thing. lions and zebras is natural, and thats fine, but what we do is just wrong. yeah, i know, either way they become food, but i think its bullshit how they kill the animals. i mean, they put down pets faster.. they just put them to "sleep". why cant they do that with the food? im not saying lions are doing anything wrong though, cuz that is nature. we're doing stuff wrong. i was just comparing to two

[GametagAeonFlux]

i mean, they put down pets faster.. they just put them to "sleep". why cant they do that with the food?

Pretty sure that shit's poisonous bro.

im not saying lions are doing anything wrong though, cuz that is nature. we're doing stuff wrong. i was just comparing to two

In prehistoric times, humans using their bare hands to fight a woolly mammoth died. So what'd they do? Tied a sharp rock to a stick and beat it to death while six of the other guys' "spears" were sticking out of it. Guess what we call that. If you guessed technology, you're right. We've adapted to survive, and we've always killed our food in "inhumane" ways in one way or another.

[Dead XXX Matt]

whats your IQ

whatever. if you enjoy the fact that animals are killed SLOWLY, when they can be killed fast, but people would rather just do it slow, then i dont care. now shhhhhhhhhh.....

[SHOUTrvb]

GTAF is using a thing called logic. Sure what happened to the horses was pretty horrible, but the idea of a human receiving capital punishment for killing animals is a bit over the top. I'd be more for punishing him for the concept. Basically he himself is pretty fucked up in the head, and would most likely cause more damage.