Simulated Reality

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:18 pm

If i had a choice of a virtual reality or being stuck in normal reality with no legs i know where i would want to be.

0m3g4Muff1n987 · Post by **0m3g4Muff1n987** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:24 pm

Virtual reality fo' sure.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:30 pm

Are you sure?

If you've grown up with some sort of disability as you described what would be your #1 wish? To walk? Actually no, I think it's to be normal. To live with people. Sure, a quick jaunt around in a virtual world every once in awhile would be nice, but it's not real. To be honest, I think you'd go crazy.

Reminds me of Vanilla Sky.

Dalek · Post by **Dalek** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:39 pm

Try living for 6 years having to use a machine to keep you alive every time you sleep....that does make you go crazy.....

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:53 pm

Just to clarfiy, Simulated Reality is different from Virtual Reality.
Look it up on wikipedia. It has a very indepth and interesting article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_Reality
Something interesting:

The philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument is:

i. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
ii. Such a civilization would likely run many

0m3g4Muff1n987 · Post by **0m3g4Muff1n987** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:59 pm

I'm not disabled, but if I were, I'd still love simulated reality. As long as it's completely believable, I'd stick with it for a long time. It's better than real life, because it's exactly like real life, but you can, I don't know, eat healthy but bad-tasting food and taste cookies or something.

Call me what you will, but I have an appreciation of fake things unlike other people. For example, fake Christmas trees are better than real ones, edited pr0n to look better than the real picture turns me on more and stuff like that.

Senor_Grunt · Post by **Senor_Grunt** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:08 pm

I wasn't really trying to move strictly towards video games with this. I mean, yeah it would be awesome to jump in a box and meet up with friends and pump some lead into alien scum, I wouldn't complain. But what about using it for army training. I think the simulated thing would be the closest to reality without the danger of being shot and killed.

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:14 pm

Senor_Grunt wrote:I wasn't really trying to move strictly towards video games with this. I mean, yeah it would be awesome to jump in a box and meet up with friends and pump some lead into alien scum, I wouldn't complain. But what about using it for army training. I think the simulated thing would be the closest to reality without the danger of being shot and killed.

Creating virtual reality where I can edit anything I want, create anything I want, and change anything I want, has been a dream of mine for a long time.
It's one of the reasons I got into modding. For my own purposes, modding is the closest I can get to that.

There'd just be so many uses for it, other than entertainment.

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:49 pm

I don't think there will be virtual reality anytime soon.
But things are becoming more interactive. I think we will see more devices that Simulate things, such as the Head tracking available now.

If they could take the headtracking/3d visor device, and implement eye tracking, and hand motion tracking, which are all very possible. You could have virtual video games/worlds before you know it.

Take a look here:
http://www.3dvisor.com/products.php

Senor_Grunt · Post by **Senor_Grunt** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:58 pm

I thought this was pretty cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTnnJR-hS7k

Seems like someone had the right idea with that.

Pepsi · Post by **Pepsi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:33 pm

What alot of people are failing to see is if you spend this time in virtual reality your spending it there in fact alone. Everything your coming in contact with is not real. Sure you may be stimulated as in thinking your eating or swimming but the physical activity isnt there. It would be the same as comparing yourself to running across hugeass on CE and then telling your parents you ran 10 miles today and that you excersie.

Also if you are disabled and spend time in this machine you are infact having no interaction with real humans or actual human emotion. You are only being stimulated to what the machine is programmed to think what real emotion is. And then again, you are experiencing this alone.

Example:
Ted is disabled and has a VR machine that allows him use of his legs. He climbs in it and goes for a jog with his frined Bill and Ryan. The next day Bill and Ryan are talking about taking a jog and Ted talks about how he ran with them in VR.

Bill and Ryan were never there and cant carry the convo with Ted. This in turn makes Ted feel even more left out cause the only way he can experience the same things with his friends are with a machine. Also, some of the greatest memory's in life are making/seeing mistakes during routine tasks like that jogging for instance. Like if you went for a jog in the woods and came upon the biggest deer you have ever seen and it walked right by you and you thought you were going to get mauled. Experiencing that in a computer is no where as profound as experiencing it in real life for the simple fact I know its all a simulation and im sitting in a chair in my home. I may feel, see, breath and touch all these things but in fact I am at home and this deer is not real.

The brilliant design of the matrix was we were led from birth believing that everything was real. We did not know there was a outside reality until we were "unplugged". From that point of unplugging you noticed how neo and the crew were not effected as much by the things they seen and took them as "computer generated". The fact of getting hit in the face in the matrix causing your nose to bleed in real life is a little far fetched since some sort of psycial contact would have to take place to cause the trauma. I dont think the brain alone could "make" a nose bleed let alone a bullet in the heart in VR would make you die unless there was a actual psychical contact being invoked and not just a "brain stimulation".

reguardless the idea of this could be used for many applications and good use but trying to substitute a "virtual" reality to replace the experiences in "factual" reality will never happen unless we are believed from birth the VR world is the only world we are offered. Until then, we will always know...

"Hey, this isnt real. Im going to play with my friends."

Fun Fact:
I went swimming one time down in Florida with some friends and got the biggest cold and swimmers ear. My friends came over each day and hung out with me and we played video games for 3 days straight till I was better then we did it all over again and I got sick again and my mom was so pissed!

^Have fun producing memory's like that Mr. Machine.

Senor_Grunt · Post by **Senor_Grunt** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:40 pm

I'm not saying I, or anyone, would get used to it as a replacement for actual real life events. I mean, It would be the same deal like with video games, sure they are fun and all, but you still need to get out every once in a while. I'm not trying to say that it could be your exercise or anything like that, I'm just saying that people could use it as a fun thing, just like video games.

Plus, like I said before, It would be the closest thing to war battles to train army men and navy and all. It would provide a more hands on approach to the training.

As for what Pepsi said about 'Ted', I totally agree with that.

Rockymods · Post by **Rockymods** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:58 pm

It would require a massive amount of testing. Wrong coding in a machine that makes your brain think you actually are filling your stomache when simulating eating food, could cause many problems. Maybe we will become so absorbed in it we will forget we are even playing a game (depending on if graphics become unbelievably real then) and that would be an easy death too. There's a bit more than just how to do this that would go along with it as pointed out.

If you ever wannta play a real life shoot 'em up you can always go paint ballin!

DEEhunter · Post by **DEEhunter** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:34 pm

Something a noticed..
Why is it that humans are impressed by their attempt to re-create reality

Pepsi · Post by **Pepsi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:50 pm

Do not even begin to bring religion into this.

Dr.Cox · Post by **Dr.Cox** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:05 pm

Watch Virtuosity. =D

KOH_Church · Post by **KOH_Church** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:53 pm

[quote="reanimation-06"]Just to clarfiy, Simulated Reality is different from Virtual Reality.
Look it up on wikipedia. It has a very indepth and interesting article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_Reality
Something interesting:

The philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument is:

i. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
ii. Such a civilization would likely run many

Rockymods · Post by **Rockymods** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:57 pm

^
I hate it when people say that about wiki... Subjects such as that get reverted to facts within minutes when someone changes it to something that is not fact.

KOH_Church · Post by **KOH_Church** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:14 pm

Rockymods wrote:^
I hate it when people say that about wiki... Subjects such as that get reverted to facts within minutes when someone changes it to something that is not fact.

but how do you know what is stated there currently is fact? you don't thats why it is so unreliable

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:02 am

DEEhunter wrote:Something a noticed..
Why is it that humans are impressed by their attempt to re-create reality

It all comes down to the big question of "Why are we here" whether it be someone put us here via a god or god's or that were are in a simulated reality or if we are in the real world which from last i heard some bright spark realised one force another realised another and now were being taught about the big bang.