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ScottyGEE wrote:and some have to be "born with it".
That's what makes athletes less pro sometimes...is it better to be born tall and be good at basketball, or be short and work at it, and have the same level of skill?
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Alright I'll break your post up a little Scotty, like you said you almost want to be swayed so hopefully I gave it a good attempt.
ScottyGEE wrote:With gaming, they become "pro" from playing with a very definitive set of rules... Like not only is there the rules of the game (only do this and this) but there are a bunch of definitive rules guiding those finer ones (physics engine)/ Not only that but with sports to attain professional status its not just "I'm going to run real fast" or "I just swing this bat yes?" or "You can't kill the metal, the metal will live on".The person must train, they must have a deep knowledge of it, they must eat right they must do many many things right and then on top of that apply all of those things to perform well. With gaming, one just really has to have an understanding of some ins and outs and execute them on a level above others.
There's no set of rules defining a sport? With basketball you can't just run up and down the court holding the ball, you have to dribble to make it harder. Also, having an understanding of the ins and outs and executing them on a level above others takes a lot of time to be able to do. I mean sure some people are just naturally better at the game than others, but learning the map to where you know everything about it, and learning the physics engine and how it feels takes a lot of time, and I would consider knowing all of the ins and outs "deep knowledge" attained from "training". I know you don't look at it that way because you play as a hobby, but just from what I've read about pro gamers, an interview I read a few years ago, pros will practice 12 hours a day sometimes when they're preparing for a tournament that's close. You show me a professional gamer(a real one that's not like lil poison that's just a pro gamer because they're talented and surprisingly young) that doesn't have a deep knowledge of halo, and spawning, the physics, and a lot of other inner workings that have taken a long time to learn.
ScottyGEE wrote:Lets take an fps game...Halo. They require slightly better eyesight and quicker reflexes (AND THE ABILITY TO EXPLOIT GLITCHES!Knowledge and practice IMO), knowledge of the game and I guess quick thumbs. But compare that to the day in day out professional athletes who like I said before have a very strict lifestyle just to be able to perform well and some have to be "born with it". I dunno, I guess I'm saying is that to be pro one doesn't need all that much in comparison is easier to attain so thus does not really have such a big an impact.
Are you saying that all halo requires is good vision and quick thumbs? I beg to differ, it requires many more things than that, good teamwork and team strategy are a couple big ones. Being able to control the level and what the other team can do. Just being able to set up and dominate. Of course some gamers are born with better reflexes and better quick decision making for video games, but if you're somewhat good and you work hard enough you can make up for it. I wouldn't say it's easy to attain, if it was that easy don't you think that people winning mlg would change very often, and lots of new people would replace the old pros all the time, how do they stay at the top if it's just easy?
ScottyGEE wrote:There is also the point that anyone with enough dedication can be pro in games. It takes time yes but really if I were to constantly play halo nonstop, learn things about the opponents I could be "pro". It just doesn't really apply like that in real life. this is going to be long, so chances are you won't read this at all...You know, coz you suck I don't. I can play tennis all I want, I can drive real hard all I want, but that doesn't mean I can achieve to the level of the pro's out there.
I disagree with you on that, I don't think anybody with enough dedication can be a pro, I think anybody who's decent to start the game and has enough dedication for a long enough time could be a pro. Face it some people are never going to be good at multiplayer video games, they don't have the reaction time and quick enough thought process and quick strategical thinking that it takes to do it.
ScottyGEE wrote:I also dislike the idea that they aim to make their life out of getting sponsored for doing something that was designed for playing as a form of leisure a side dish kind of thing. Then there's the arrogance and the serious nature behind them. So are you readin this? Or should I just saying that I'm the best in the world and that if you do read this sentence you are just making me stronger? Yeah, I'm sure real athletes have that nature behind them to...But I don't ever hear them blaming lag if they die or insulting people who are considered below their level of excellence in such a way.
Sports were designed for doing as a form of leisure. Many athletes are arrogant and serious about winning. Many athletes always have an excuse as to why they're doing bad, the other guy held him, he fouled me, my cleats wouldn't grip the grass... You don't hear them insulting less talented people on tv(not that they all insult less talented people), but I'm willing to bet you some of them do when they're playing to get into their head.
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Yamagushi wrote:Yea I was way too lazy to read all that ^

But hellz yea im a pro fo sho. That bizzy was all up in my hizzy and i was like whaaaaat, wigga please. I am teh Master Yamagushi, beware teh wrath of Yama!

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=P just wondering who added the "Don't" and what it was supposed to mean O.o wrong post mb?
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I don't doubt that it can be a profession. I just think it's kind of ridiculous.
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JK-47 wrote:I don't doubt that it can be a profession. I just think it's kind of ridiculous.
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If you get any of the following for playing VG's then I think your pro.

Money, Babes, Sponsorships, Babes Etc. Etc.
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I got money and babes =D But no sponserships :'(
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JK-47 wrote:I don't doubt that it can be a profession. I just think it's kind of ridiculous.
Why is that so, if soccer as an example, can?
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Because soccer you have to physically train for. Because if you 'love' video games enough to make a living off playing them (making them, I can understand), then that's ridiculous, as JK said; since, as a result, you're going to end up 'training' in front of a TV for hours on end every day instead of going out into the world enjoying yourself. It just seems to me like people would want to be more than that. Just my opinion.
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Playkid wrote:
JK-47 wrote:I don't doubt that it can be a profession. I just think it's kind of ridiculous.
Why is that so, if soccer as an example, can?
Soccer and video gaming are two completely different things. I don't understand why people keep making comparisons to the profession of basketball and such to gaming, when they are clearly completely different.
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gh0570fchurch wrote:Because soccer you have to physically train for.
Not necessarily. First time I played a video game, I was better than most everyone else I played. First time I played soccer, I was better than most everyone else I played.

You don't need to train for either one.
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Aumaan Anubis wrote:
gh0570fchurch wrote:Because soccer you have to physically train for.
Not necessarily. First time I played a video game, I was better than most everyone else I played. First time I played soccer, I was better than most everyone else I played.

You don't need to train for either one.
Hes not talking about playing 5 year olds. ;P



He's talking about playing against people who have been playing soccer for all their life, every day, all day.


Not in a junior summer soccer camp Jubilee.
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...that picture shows your ignorance towards the non-believers :roll:
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Can you be a professional gamer?
no, dont have the time
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gh0570fchurch wrote:Because soccer you have to physically train for. Because if you 'love' video games enough to make a living off playing them (making them, I can understand), then that's ridiculous, as JK said; since, as a result, you're going to end up 'training' in front of a TV for hours on end every day instead of going out into the world enjoying yourself. It just seems to me like people would want to be more than that. Just my opinion.
Well, I might enjoy myself inside...
kibito87 wrote:...that picture shows your ignorance towards the non-believers :roll:
I'm guessing that was directed towards the picture of the cat.
Also, you need to rewrite your sentence. I can't be ignorant towards the non-believers simply for the fact that it makes no sense. You can't be ignorant towards someone...
DirtJumper wrote:no, dont have the time
Fixed. Read the first post now.
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DrXThirst wrote:You can't be ignorant towards someone...
Please tell me you are joking... Also, look up the definition of ignorant. You are now creating an argument out of something you know little about.

EDIT* ~ Let me break it down for you. You are ignorant in the fact that you know little to nothing about how the rest of the world plays a game. You posted a picture saying "i rape u". Yet, you have no idea whether you can "rape" somebody. You say that because you think your skill is unparalleled. SO, you = lacking in knowledge towards how much skill somebody may have in the game. Now I can't wait to hear your argument towards this...
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JK-47 wrote:
Playkid wrote:
JK-47 wrote:I don't doubt that it can be a profession. I just think it's kind of ridiculous.
Why is that so, if soccer as an example, can?
Soccer and video gaming are two completely different things. I don't understand why people keep making comparisons to the profession of basketball and such to gaming, when they are clearly completely different.
Soccer and basketball is two different things as well, im aware that soccer for instance requires a good physical condition, but is it necessary to call something a profession?
How about chess?
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Well here is my whole opinion on this for what its worth, though some of you may not think it worth much at all. You can be a pro gamer, just as you can be a pro at running, football, basketball, baseball, and any other sport out there. All any of these things are for is entertainment, I say its ridiculous to be considered a professional Basketball player. I mean its a game that you enjoy so why not take the same concept to video games. If your good at them and enjoy them than why not make some money off it? Like everyone else. The real controversy here is, are video games a sport? I say yes but thats me. So for a sum up, yes you can be a pro gamer, no its not ridiculous for it to be a profession.

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Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

Video games cannot be considered a sport with the current deffinition.

Video games are considered a hobby(IMO) so I think the correct term would be a connoisseur gamer.
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WaywornMmmmm wrote:Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

Video games cannot be considered a sport with the current deffinition.

Video games are considered a hobby(IMO) so I think the correct term would be a connoisseur gamer.
EHHH! Wrong answer :wink:

Athletic - physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.

Technically, moving your thumbs is being physically active. So, by definition, Gaming is a sport.
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