Global Warming

[warlord]

yamaguchi i have already proven my point why is it now that the earth is warming up when i asked why was not during the time of the most smoke flames and steam and generally when the most heat and co2 was given off but infact now.
i have also posted a link showing that co2 is not the only culprit here but infact unleaded diesel causes more harm than leaded petroleum.
your main source is a very unreliable one as the data put there was done by the public not single purpose researchers who know exactly what they are talking about.

[theycallmechad]

...so greedy republicans can save 12 cents on a gallon of gas.

Seriously, little man, you need to steer away form politics and the insults. I am a Republican, and a VERY poor one. You need to hold your tongue (or your fingers in this case).

On a side note, you might want to correct your grammar. It sure doesn't help your argument. I don't claim to have perfect grammar, but I find your posts almost painful to read.

[Yamagushi]

yamaguchi i have already proven my point why is it now that the earth is warming up when i asked why was not during the time of the most smoke flames and steam and generally when the most heat and co2 was given off but infact now.
i have also posted a link showing that co2 is not the only culprit here but infact unleaded diesel causes more harm than leaded petroleum.
your main source is a very unreliable one as the data put there was done by the public not single purpose researchers who know exactly what they are talking about.

You proved a diesel car may have more damage than a normal car, I could agree with you there, it may very well, Im more on the side of pollution in general is causing the damage, Co2 is just something i know about. I also didnt say co2 was the only culprit. As for your comments about how the industrial revolution era caused more damage than now, i doubt that. The reason is that even tho they didn't have cars with 30mpg back then and they polluted a lot more per vehicle, now we have soooooo many more engines running that it very likely adds up to a lot more pollution then at that time.

Seriously, little man, you need to steer away form politics and the insults. I am a Republican, and a VERY poor one. You need to hold your tongue (or your fingers in this case).

On a side note, you might want to correct your grammar. It sure doesn't help your argument. I don't claim to have perfect grammar, but I find your posts almost painful to read.

Firstly its ok when its not relating to you and someone says Democrats all believe in global warming and demonize people who join the military aint it? As for being a republican that based on views, this means you Believe abortion is evil, Gay people should never marry, Global Warmings a fraud, Iran should not be negotiated with, You dont support free health care for all Americans, and last but not least you believe we should send more troops to there death bead in Iraq. If these aren't your views then I don't see how your a republican.

Secondly the Politics started with UPS and his very stereotypical statement against democrats.

As for my grammar i've never had anyone complain before.

[theycallmechad]

As for my grammar i've never had anyone complain before.

You omitted the comma between "grammar" and "I've." You also failed to capitalize the "I" in "I've."

That's just one small, ironic example.



I believe Abortion is horrible. My wife is pregnant, and I consider the baby inside her to be my child. I love her more than everything in the world, save it be my wife only. Just because she (yes, it's a girl) lives within my wife doesn't make it not a person. I agree with abortion in 3 situations: rape, incest, and when the pregnancy will take both the lives of the mother and child. This decision is both political and religious.

I believe that homosexuals should not marry. I am a big family man, and though I have a homosexual brother-in-law who I get along with very well, I don't believe he should marry. This decision is not a political decision, it's a religious decision.

Though I believe that all solutions are best solved through negotiation, I do not believe that conforming to what Iran wants (nuclear power, as I assume you're referring to), is an effective form of negotiation. For example, when somebody is holding hostages, you do not try to negotiate for only half the hostages, you try to get them all.

I do not support "free health care" for all Americans. I do not believe in Socialization. You socialize medicine, I have several friends who are planning on dropping out of medical school (which just so happens to be every friend I have in medical school). I have many, many reasons for opposing socialized medicine, but I'll not go into it further here.

I believe we should finish what was started in Iraq, but not what WE started. If you remember, WE were not the ones who attacked us on September 11, 2001 (if you are OLD ENOUGH to remember, that is). 2 of my best friends served over there, and both of them are honored to have fought for such a cause. I'm honored to be their friend.

I believe there is evidence to support global warming, and evidence to discredit it. I believe in taking care of the environment, and think that we as humans have been given stewardship over this Earth, and as stewards, we are responsible for taking care of it. I look at evidence, and have yet to form a solid opinion on the issue.

Being Republican, am I to believe that you're a murderer because you support abortion? Should I believe that by supporting homosexual marriages you are trying to destroy the family structure, the single most important educational system in the history of the Earth? Am I to believe that you want to turn the United States into a socialist regime? You do support socialization, don't you? Since you're telling me what I believe already, why not tell me what I believe about Democrats?


You really can't stand that there are people who have opposite opinion as you, can you? Can you imagine what this country would be like if we were all Republicans? Now imagine what it would be like if we were all Democrats. It's scary either way. Opposition is not a bad thing, my friend.

[Jean-Luc]

There was a comment that someone thought it unbelievable that we would be able to predict when we would line up with a black hole, I however don't see that as unbelievable. For the person questioning that look up quantum physics, We got people studying things like that every day. Its actually pretty interesting **** if your intrigued by space and black holes and such.

True, but we also have plenty of scientists attempting to study climate and weather, and yet we all know how accurate our weather reports are...

Look, with global warming, I think it's fairly obvious that the earth is heating up. That's fine, there are theories to support both sides. I personally believe this is a natural occurrence, and this is why. I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the guy who said this, but it makes a lot of sense.

For those that don't know, the Bering Strait is the body of water dividing the tip of Alaska from Siberia, and it is related to the cycle of water moving to the North pole. Water flows between these masses, and once the water gets to the poles, it evaporates, and falls down as snow. Over time, this snow forms glaciers, which is what we have today. The snow continues until the glaciers have used up enough water to bring the land between Alaska and Siberia above sea level. With water access cut off to the poles in this area, the snow only continues until it runs out of usable water. When the water runs out, the snow stops, the glaciers begin to melt, and the water begins to collect back in the oceans until the straight has water flowing freely through it once more, and the whole cycle starts again. This is the simple cycle of the glaciers, which is a cause of the Ice Age. Global temperatures rise when the glaciers recede, and therefore, we can detect it as "Global Warming."
As I said before, this is the coldest inter-glacial period we have had in the last....400,000 years I believe, and 95% of all life formed when the earth was roughly 3

[UPS]

Secondly the Politics started with UPS and his very stereotypical statement against democrats.

Fuck. Off.

You are hearing this global warming **** from the same people who demonize your own brother for fighting in Iraq. Unless you are a hateful ****, I think you'd side with your brother-the one you hardly ever hear from since he's over fighting for his life to save you and your family from suicidal, religion crazed freaks that have been given guns- over the loudmouthed liberal jackass who either doesn't know what he's talking about or knows and doesn't care what everyone thinks, because he just wants more political power/reputation.

Where the FUCK did I say the word democrat. NOT ONCE. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BEING STEREOTYPICAL, IDIOT. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU.

As for being a republican that based on views, this means you Believe abortion is evil, *** people should never marry, Global Warmings a fraud, Iran should not be negotiated with, You dont support free health care for all Americans, and last but not least you believe we should send more troops to there death bead in Iraq. If these aren't your views then I don't see how your a republican.

P.S. As for the PM it is indeed real however it was a response to an arrogant post made about democrats earlier in this post. I am a democrat and I took it quite offensive that someone would dare cast blame our way for our troops dying in Iraq. Republicans started this war. People aren't dying for me there dying for a paycheck and so greedy republicans can save 12 cents on a gallon of gas.

Thought you should know what was censored out of my post;

"Wow a Republican, didn't relise you greedy pricks socialized. And I see that i didn't clearly read your post, it seems your right ur not an idiot, ur an ****. You just stereotyped an entire group of people based on there political views. But if you want to play that way I can to, Talk smack about democrats lmao.

Ill start with your comment. I agree with people who demonize people who join the army, if your willing to kill for a paycheck your sick in the head and deserve nothing more. As for them risking there lives for me thats a load of crap as well. There risking it for a paycheck, but most importantly there risking it cause of greedy ass republicans like you who are willing to send innocent people to there death beds for some oil. Us democrats prevent the wars that kill the people you claim are risking there lives for me. You republicans send them to save 12 cents on a gallon of gas... Yea beware the democrats there the bad guys all right. Don't even get me started on how screwed up republican politics are, you all disagree with everything from abortion, to *** marraige, to global warming. Do yourself a favor and get more open minded."

You want proof? There's your proof, dumbass.

If you are just going to have a stereotypical political comment every god damn time you post, gtfo of this thread. It's about global warming, not your idiot rants about how bad republicans are.

[metkillerjoe]

There was a comment that someone thought it unbelievable that we would be able to predict when we would line up with a black hole, I however don't see that as unbelievable. For the person questioning that look up quantum physics, We got people studying things like that every day. Its actually pretty interesting **** if your intrigued by space and black holes and such.

True, but we also have plenty of scientists attempting to study climate and weather, and yet we all know how accurate our weather reports are...

Look, with global warming, I think it's fairly obvious that the earth is heating up. That's fine, there are theories to support both sides. I personally believe this is a natural occurrence, and this is why. I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the guy who said this, but it makes a lot of sense.

For those that don't know, the Bering Strait is the body of water dividing the tip of Alaska from Siberia, and it is related to the cycle of water moving to the North pole. Water flows between these masses, and once the water gets to the poles, it evaporates, and falls down as snow. Over time, this snow forms glaciers, which is what we have today. The snow continues until the glaciers have used up enough water to bring the land between Alaska and Siberia above sea level. With water access cut off to the poles in this area, the snow only continues until it runs out of usable water. When the water runs out, the snow stops, the glaciers begin to melt, and the water begins to collect back in the oceans until the straight has water flowing freely through it once more, and the whole cycle starts again. This is the simple cycle of the glaciers, which is a cause of the Ice Age. Global temperatures rise when the glaciers recede, and therefore, we can detect it as "Global Warming."
As I said before, this is the coldest inter-glacial period we have had in the last....400,000 years I believe, and 95% of all life formed when the earth was roughly 3

[UPS]

I suggest this thread is closed. The insecure people of this forum can't handle having people disagree with them.

[SpecOp44]

I think we can all agree Yamagushi is wrong on all fronts.

[Aumaan Anubis]

You are, however, wrong.

#1, from a non-religous standpoint, there is more evidence for global warming than not. If there was not as much evidence as there is, it would not be such a big deal. I'm not entirely sure why you're making your point when you admit yourself you don't know much, not to mention you say you don't want to learn anything, which really shows something. :/

#2, People beat on Wikipedia far too much. There was someone who created that article, and that's exactly the reason why it can be correct. People DO care. Do you have any reason to go on there and change the articles? Most of the time, no. Most of the time you'd do it is with a friend, which'd greatly reduce the chances... And secondly, are you going to change really minor things around like dates, from 2001 to 2003? No, you're going to say abe lincoln was a british philosopher, which, assuming you're not in the womb, is obviously incorrect.

I would, however, be sure to check on multiple sources. I'd also probably not cite Wikipedia in any major papers i'm writing, not necessarily because of incorrectness, but simply because people see wikipedia from biased eyes. There's also the chance that the info might not be 100% correct, such as the person adding some opinion into it. You just have to be careful.

(1) I do find myself rethinking my intial post, at least, the neither side has provided sufficient or reliable evidence to prove the other side wrong part of it. The point was, that I'd like to see some solid proof that global warming is real, or isn't. As for how I don't want to know much... If I learn up on a subject, I find myself easily getting into arguments on how true it is. Global warming, being a large and volatile subject, is not a subject I would like to start a debate about. However, if I knew a lot about global warming, then I surely would.

(2) I never bashed Wikipedia. In fact, I find it to be a really great thing to have access to. My point was, who knows if it's actually correct? The article could be well-written and organized, but that could hide how incredibly inaccurate and completely based on opinion the article truly is.

And... I think I just restated what you said in your third point.

[Hawaiian Modder]

This is to big of a discussion for me to read so could someone just summarize it in like 3-5 sentences.

[bibbit]

This is to big of a discussion for me to read so could someone just summarize it in like 3-5 sentences.

People ranting about other people ranting about people being stereotypical and biased about politics. Yamagushi and UPS disagreeing over politics. People saying Yamagushi is wrong.

I think that about sums it up. I can't make any sense of the rest.

[OwnZ joO]

You are hearing this global warming **** from the same people who demonize your own brother for fighting in Iraq. Unless you are a hateful ****, I think you'd side with your brother-the one you hardly ever hear from since he's over fighting for his life to save you and your family from suicidal, religion crazed freaks that have been given guns- over the loudmouthed liberal jackass who either doesn't know what he's talking about or knows and doesn't care what everyone thinks, because he just wants more political power/reputation.

Where the *** did I say the word democrat. NOT ONCE. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BEING STEREOTYPICAL, IDIOT. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU.

Liberal basically means democrat buddy...

Both of you are being very stereotypical and you're yelling at him and calling him an idiot when in fact you say you never said "democrat" but you implied it with liberal....

Back on topic, my view of global warming is that I'm not sure whether we're causing global warming or not, but I think everybody should attempt to be "green"(wow that's an annoying term, but I'll use it anyway). I don't see why not to be more green, eventually we're going to run out of fossil fuels, why not try to reduce our independence on them and conserve some of them in case they're useful for something other than what we currently use thjavascript:emoticon(':lol:')
Laughingem for. I'm not environmentally considerate that much, but hopefully I will do a few little things eventually, nothing big that's a pain and I have to go out of my way to do(the things all the "green" people are so smug (:lol: south park) about, just little things that if the whole planet starts to do will add up.

[Tural]

I advise avoidance of the comments UPS made. It's better to avoid conflict. He won't be joining us in this discussion for the next seven days, so let's let it pass and try to have a more sensible discussion.

On second thought, after reading other comments on this page, I'm locking this thread. Fair warning was given a long time ago to stay away from politics, and that criteria was not met.