Global Warming

[Glabatrix]

Well it seems I have a lot to reply to...

2 things that annoyed me;

1) Stop with the *** answers of oh theres natural changes occuring and were just making it worse... There are no natural changes happening and if you all think so please provide some evidence because this sounds more far fetched than the global warming theory alone. The only impact on it is from us. In the last 10 years the yearly average tempature of the earth has risen more than since the ice age. If it was natural it would be spread out and even.

I have yet to see you back up anything you have said with a reliable source. Where does a scientist say that global warming is true 100% the way you are describing it? Where does one say that there is no chance it could be natural changes?

Do you guys think that meat really does cause 20% of global warming and that everyone should stop eating it entirely?

....It is proven co2 gases cause global warming, on a very small scale yes, , this was already explained in a previous post exactly how it happens. Is it the only thing causing global warming? Who knows theres probably many factors behind it. And as for it being natural, How is it the climate naturally changing? Ive at least given a proven example of a non-natural thing causing global warming. I would like to see your reasonings behind the earth suddenly up and deciding to change its temperature. There are causes behind Natural changes as well as there are non-natural changes such as co2 build up.

Right, when you have lived for millions of years and have an insight in the world, because humans havent been alive for more than thousands of years and yet alone when records began, do you cant possibly say that the world cant naturally change.

Its like saying why are the magnetic poles moving around, perhaps switching places. This serves no purpose to the earth other than exposing it to dangerous cosmic rays and killing nature. and although it hasnt been "100% proven" i do have a citation for it:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/3100

Unlike you sir, you had the cheek to say someone was arrogant!

[Yamagushi]

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the concentrations of many of the greenhouse gases have increased. The concentration of CO2 has increased by about 100 ppm (i.e., from 280 ppm to 380 ppm). The first 50 ppm increase took place in about 200 years, from the start of the Industrial Revolution to around 1973; the next 50 ppm increase took place in about 33 years, from 1973 to 2006.

The concentrations of several greenhouse gases have increased over time.[5] Human activity increases the greenhouse effect primarily through release of carbon dioxide, but human influences on other greenhouse gases can also be important.[6] Some of the main sources of greenhouse gases due to human activity include:

* burning of fossil fuels and deforestation leading to higher carbon dioxide concentrations;
* livestock and paddy rice farming, land use and wetland changes, pipeline losses, and covered vented landfill emissions leading to higher methane atmospheric concentrations. According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, the livestock industry is responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions measured in CO2 equivalent, a higher share than transportation.[7] Many of the newer style fully vented septic systems that enhance and target the fermentation process also are major sources of atmospheric methane;
* use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in refrigeration systems, and use of CFCs and halons in fire suppression systems and manufacturing processes.
* agricultural activities, including the use of fertilizers, that lead to higher nitrous oxide concentrations.

The seven sources of CO2 from fossil fuel combustion are (with percentage contributions for 2000-2004)[8]:

1. Solid fuels (e.g. coal): 35%
2. Liquid fuels (e.g. gasoline): 36%
3. Gaseous fuels (e.g. natural gas): 20%
4. Flaring gas industrially and at wells: <1%
5. Cement production: 3%
6. Non-fuel hydrocarbons: <1%
7. The "international bunkers" of shipping and air transport not included in national inventories: 4%

Greenhouse gas emissions from industry, transportation (1/3 of total US global warming pollution)[9] and agriculture are very likely the main cause of recently observed global warming.[10][11]

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Enough proof? Or am I gonna hear the wikipedia isn't reliable bull, cause im sure I can find this same info on a million other sites.

[Geo]

Wait, I know how the greenhouse effect works. I think we all know that.

Nobody is questioning or disagreeing that the greenhouse effect is contributing.

I, like many others, have said that it's a natural change in the planets climate, and our actions are contributing.

YOU'RE the one coming out with the bold statements, with no citations such as;

The Ice Age was not natural it was caused by a comet slamming into the planet and spitting mass debree into the atmosphere blocking most of the suns rays that keep our planet warm and causing our entire planets geo system to go out of wack.

There are no natural changes happening

If it was natural it would be spread out and even.

Then, you expect us to take you seriously when you make comments like:

IT IS PROVEN. PROVE IT WRONG.

EDIT: And hell yes I'm going to argue about Wikipedia being a reliable source. Are you aware of how that website works?

[Yamagushi]

Ive provided proof for my side of the argument, ill give u it could be possible for it to be natural but ive yet to see one of you explain how, Natural or not everything has a cause. So wheres your explanations your reasons for believing its natural? So far it seems you all don't have reasons and just want to refuse to accept the damage were doing to the planet.

And the point is that we contributed to making the greenhouse effect much much worse. This is not natural.

[Veegie]

Have the prevalent gases in our atmosphere changed during global warming?

[Geo]

Ive provided proof for my side of the argument, ill give u it could be possible for it to be natural but ive yet to see one of you explain how, Natural or not everything has a cause. So wheres your explanations your reasons for believing its natural? So far it seems you all don't have reasons and just want to refuse to accept the damage were doing to the planet.

O.K. let's just clarify something, for the members among us suffering from an abnormality of the mind.

My opinion is that the planet is going through a natural climate change, something that happens every so often... I do believe we're contributing and perhaps speeding this up, but not by enough to worry about... we weren't around emitting C02 before the previous ice ages and such, so it's gonna happen anyway.

I'm not the one passing my remarks off as fact. I'm not the one passing my remarks off as proven, or 100% correct. you are the one doing that, you are the one that should be providing evidence.

My opinion about it being a natural process is that it's happened several times before, millions of years before we existed.

Wait a second, something just crossed my mind... are you a creationist loon?

And you have not provided proof for your side of the argument. Your side of the argument is that Humans alone are causing global warming, and that there is no natural element to it at all.

You posted an article from the most reliable source in the world, telling me how the greenhouse effect works.

[theycallmechad]

Wait a second, something just crossed my mind... are you a creationist loon?

iGeo, was following you up to this point. Why do you bring in personal, religious belief into this? Not only that, but why do you insult this those with this religious belief? I am a "creationist," as you call us. I believe in God, and I believe this earth is His creation. At the same time, I believe very much the way you do with regards to global warming, I think you crossed the line with the above-quoted statement.



On a side note: If there is indeed Global warming, I credit Al Gore with inventing it. We have him alone to blame.

[Veegie]

He brought it up because of strong correlations with his argument.

[Geo]

Wait a second, something just crossed my mind... are you a creationist loon?

iGeo, was following you up to this point. Why do you bring in personal, religious belief into this? Not only that, but why do you insult this those with this religious belief? I am a "creationist," as you call us. I believe in God, and I believe this earth is His creation. At the same time, I believe very much the way you do with regards to global warming, I think you crossed the line with the above-quoted statement.



On a side note: If there is indeed Global warming, I credit Al Gore with inventing it. We have him alone to blame.

Nowhere did I say all creationists are loons, I was asking him if he was a creationist... and I was calling him a loon. Sorry for that, I apologise.

The reason I said that is because if he were a creationist he would be under the impression that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, whereas if he is someone that's not a creationist, he should realise how small a time period we have been on this planet, and how it wouldn't be possible for us to cause that much of an impact, alone, in such a short space of time.

[theycallmechad]

I understand, and appreciate the clarification.

Though I am a creationist, I do not believe that the Earth is a mere 6 thousand years old. I can see, though, why you would think it odd for somebody with a 6 thousand year old Earth belief to argue such points.

[Jean-Luc]

I think George Carlin put it best when he said "The planet has been through a lot worse than us folks. Volcanoes, earthquakes, the magnetic field reversal, thousands of years of bombardment from comets and asteroids, and we think some plastic bags...and some aluminum cans, are going to make a difference?"

Quite frankly, I believe this whole global warming thing is yet another example of the media taking advantage of the fears present in the general public, and blowing it out of proportion. When the facts are taken into account:
1. This is the coldest inter-glacial period we've ever had.
2. 95% of all life on earth was formed when the average global temperature was 3

[Cryticfarm]

Even if it doesn't happen, what's wrong with using your recycling bin, car pooling. Like, don't be lazy.

[Yamagushi]

For the last time, i did not say it was 100% caused by co2. I said that co2 is a proven cause of global warming.

No I am not a creationist. I am Athiast, and believe in Evolution. I go by scientific fact were-as still yet after your countless posts you have not givin one reason for your belief that its natural other than its happened before.

Using this same logic I should assume were all gonna get hit by buses because people have been hit by buses before. There is no argument here, Simply you stating an opinion you have nothing to back up.

I believe the point of this was to discuss possible causes of global warming not for a dozen people to simply post "I think its natural" with no logic at all to back up such arguments.

If you believe its natural great, but post why you believe that cause if the answer is cause someone told you so ur opinion is pointless.

[WaywornMmmmm]

For the last time, i did not say it was 100% caused by co2. I said that co2 is a proven cause of global warming.

No I am not a creationist. I am Athiast, and believe in Evolution. I go by scientific fact were-as still yet after your countless posts you have not givin one reason for your belief that its natural other than its happened before.

Using this same logic I should assume were all gonna get hit by buses because people have been hit by buses before. There is no argument here, Simply you stating an opinion you have nothing to back up.

I believe the point of this was to discuss possible causes of global warming not for a dozen people to simply post "I think its natural" with no logic at all to back up such arguments.

If you believe its natural great, but post why you believe that cause if the answer is cause someone told you so ur opinion is pointless.

That seems as if it is an unfair comparison. I would think "Since people have been hit by busses, more people will be hit by buses" works better. This then seems to the support the logic behind theories that this climate change is part of a recurring event.

But what do I know?

[theycallmechad]

I believe the point of this was to discuss possible causes of global warming not for a dozen people to simply post "I think its natural" with no logic at all to back up such arguments.

Really? So it was to merely discuss the THEORETICAL causes of this TREND? I thought this topic was for... actually, I'll just quote it:

Well a big topic that has been coming up lately is Global Warming. I wanted to hear your opinions on this. Is it true? When is it coming? What can we do to stop it? etc. Saw someone say that eating meat is directly responsible for 20% of Global Warming. Do you agree with this? Post your thoughts on the subject.

In fact, at no point did he ever specifically ask for anybody to discuss the causes of it (though he did mention a possible cause himself).

It seems to me that you just aren't secure enough with your position to allow others to contradict you. There are always multiple sides to an argument.

[Ombre]

For the last time, i did not say it was 100% caused by co2. I said that co2 is a proven cause of global warming.

How can it be proven co2 is a cause of something that hasn't been proven?

[Geo]

Wait, do you want evidence that Human Beings weren't around millions of years ago during the other climate changes?

That is my evidence that it's a natural occurrence... the fact it's happened before, without us. What more evidence do you need?

Also, again... I will repeat myself: It was an opinion. In no way did I claim it to be factual or correct, it's just what I think.

[UPS]

Its not that they have different opinions. All they have is a simple yes/no answer with no reasoning to back up there logic. Like I said ive yet to see 1 good argument about anything backing them up. They just have a bias opinion they probably got from someone else with no free thought of there own on the subject.

Oh, I forgot that everyone in this entire world thinks the same way. So sorry.

Interesting that backs up what i said...... The world has changed in the last mear ten years, so what you just said backs up that it being natural is pretty highly against the odds.

Wow, you're dense.
If you'd be so kind to actually use the brain you've been given instead of the spastic idiot that yells 'OH MY GOD THE POLAR BEARS' who told you about global warming, you'd notice that, from what I was saying, it is 'heating up.' I spent my time typing almost ten sentences just hoping you'd pick up the idea that it may not have started cooling yet? I said that things that happen on the earth and its surface don't happen quickly, so I hinted that it probably will stop heating within the next 10 years.

I believe the point of this was to discuss possible causes of global warming not for a dozen people to simply post "I think its natural" with no logic at all to back up such arguments.

In relation to what chad said about this thread being about opinions...

Would you rather have
a)A dozen people giving their opinions on the same thing
OR
b)A single person giving his/her opinion on the same thing a dozen times

Wow a Republican, didn't relise you greedy pricks socialized. And I see that i didn't clearly read your post, it seems your right ur not an idiot, ur an ****. You just stereotyped an entire group of people based on there political views. But if you want to play that way I can to, Talk smack about democrats lmao.

Just so you know, I was not at one single point being stereotypical about democrats or republicans. After Tural said to keep this shit outta the thread, I actually listened and completely dropped that subject. You're the only one who's stereotyping here.

As it was stated, you obviously don't know how wikipedia works.

[plushiefire]

I think Global Warming, the War in Iraq, the fact that we will be in line with a black hole in 2012 are all signs of doomsday/apocalypse/armagedon

I think Global Warming is the biggest threat to mankind.

I hope 2012 Dec. 21 won't come.

[theycallmechad]

I don't understand: How can global warming make a time in the future cease to exist?