*Another* Damn School shooting

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:06 pm

The mental facilities are like a 5 star hotel compared to prison.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:12 pm

OwnZ joO wrote:Yeah, and you think that insane people just get let off? They get put into an asylum or something, if you do **** like that because you're crazy, you can't help it, so the government and society try to help you by putting you in a treatment center. Also you have to get declared mentally insane by a professional psychiatrist, so you can't just easily claim it.

Yes but im sure being declared insane and doing that you'd get much less of a punishment than being declared tht you planned and murdered 8 people, ateempted suicide (unless its changed, is still illegal) under clear concious thought....

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:23 pm

OwnZ joO wrote:Yeah, and you think that insane people just get let off? They get put into an asylum or something, if you do **** like that because you're crazy, you can't help it, so the government and society try to help you by putting you in a treatment center. Also you have to get declared mentally insane by a professional psychiatrist, so you can't just easily claim it.

Society likes to put the blame on anyone or anything besides themselves. Parents blame a 3D video game because their son is a murderer, obese people blame their metabolism, criminals blame their apparently uncontrollable mental disease. I imagine it wouldn't be hard too twist and warp the most minimal childhood event into a devastating tragedy that somehow caused you to kill complete strangers.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:28 am

[quote]Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I don

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:04 am

Ombre wrote:
OwnZ joO wrote:Yeah, and you think that insane people just get let off? They get put into an asylum or something, if you do **** like that because you're crazy, you can't help it, so the government and society try to help you by putting you in a treatment center. Also you have to get declared mentally insane by a professional psychiatrist, so you can't just easily claim it.
Society likes to put the blame on anyone or anything besides themselves. Parents blame a 3D video game because their son is a murderer, obese people blame their metabolism, criminals blame their apparently uncontrollable mental disease. I imagine it wouldn't be hard too twist and warp the most minimal childhood event into a devastating tragedy that somehow caused you to kill complete strangers.

Indeed. People like to be able to blame somebody or something, and video games just seem to be the perfect scapegoat.

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:14 am

ScottyGEE wrote:
OwnZ joO wrote:Yeah, and you think that insane people just get let off? They get put into an asylum or something, if you do **** like that because you're crazy, you can't help it, so the government and society try to help you by putting you in a treatment center. Also you have to get declared mentally insane by a professional psychiatrist, so you can't just easily claim it.
Yes but im sure being declared insane and doing that you'd get much less of a punishment than being declared tht you planned and murdered 8 people, ateempted suicide (unless its changed, is still illegal) under clear concious thought....

Just because you're crazy doesn't mean you can't plan stuff... Your brain doesn't just turn off from becoming insane, it just doesn't work right. I don't think he should get off, I didn't even say whether or not I think he's crazy. Just because you claim insanity doesn't mean you will be declared and get off, you have to prove it to a professional(usually you have to actually BE insane at the time you did what you did).

Patrickssj6 · Post by **Patrickssj6** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:58 am

Wait...didn't the kid die by now?

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:30 pm

yes, he did die of his wounds, and @ reanimation, i do believe he has a superiority complex, and possibly has been approached about it earlier in his life, because he mentions it.

astonishing what people do for their beliefs, eh?

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:04 pm

Honestly what the fuck. When will people realize you can't let words, or other people get to you. I mean seriously, If someone is making fun of you just ignore it. Let it go, It's not like you will be with those people the rest of your life.

I mean this kid obviously had mental issues. But seriously, it's the other kids fault for bullying him. If they had just left the kid alone and let him go about his life. This probably would have never happened

Also, there will probably be some dumb ass statement by Jack Thompson soon. Somehow linking video games to this kid's madness.

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[quote]What do I hate / What I don

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:04 pm

dont they always?
find me a shooting that wasn't linked to the media somehow... they cant admit thier own mistakes as discussed before... they ignore the millions of people, us, who play fps and yet don't walk into a school with a weapon, and go after the worm that does...
I seriously wanted this person to live for a while longer, just so his fragile psyche can absorb what he had done, get the guilt and maybe some realization of his actions, though considering what he did, I do not think he would and then die... death is a mercy for people such as this, regardless of the obvious answer you are taught "no criminal deserves to die".... he takes a cowards way out, don't we all go through this phase in our teens? the depression and such, for you all know what I talk about... yet we do not resort to killing, we face it and move on... to me, his was a way of a coward who could not handle the world around him, something that everyone accepted, and lived with...
sure the sociologists and psychologists will obviously point out that their environment forced such people into thier actions, but the person themselves plays an active role too... for example: school. teachers do not fail students, its the students who fail themselves... pathetic excuses for these actions...
pathetic people, they do not deserve to live, but then again who am I to judge, its just opinions...

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:44 pm

HPDarkness1 wrote:Honestly what the ***. When will people realize you can't let words, or other people get to you. I mean seriously, If someone is making fun of you just ignore it. Let it go, It's not like you will be with those people the rest of your life.

Easier said than done with most people. Just because that works for you doesnt mean its works for everyone else.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:27 am

noxiousraccoon wrote:
HPDarkness1 wrote:Honestly what the ***. When will people realize you can't let words, or other people get to you. I mean seriously, If someone is making fun of you just ignore it. Let it go, It's not like you will be with those people the rest of your life.
Easier said than done with most people. Just because that works for you doesnt mean its works for everyone else.

yea, it doesn't... thats why these things happen... these are just the pathetic ones u can't cope with life that we all deal with

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:53 am

Wow dude, some people have it different than you you know?! I'm not saying its ok to shoot people, that's completely wrong, but you have no idea what his life is like, because you are not him

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:03 am

In the rambling text posted on the site, Auvinen said that he is "a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist."

"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," he wrote. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."

Not to praise a killer, but he seemed pretty aware of what he was doing. He wasn't a kid going to kill people he didn't like. He's probably one of the more intelligent shooters I've seen. He wasn't crazy. He wasn't bullied. He wasn't just some troubled teen. He was on a mission.

Dissolution241 · Post by **Dissolution241** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:23 pm

Agreed, he is different. Still, that's incredibly stupid to go to a school and shoot anyone and everyone. That's not gonna help him accomplish anything and that doesn't entirely go with what he said he wanted to do.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:37 pm

OwnZ joO wrote:Wow dude, some people have it different than you you know?! I'm not saying its ok to shoot people, that's completely wrong, but you have no idea what his life is like, because you are not him

of course I have no idea what his life is like, and im not him...
but what? he takes his anger out on others, shoots others to death? you think that is intelligent? if he had a working brain, he would have realized that the best he could do was admit his life sucked and move on, not go to a school, shoot everyone he sees, and then commit suicide... what would that have solved?

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:54 pm

I agree Tural.

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:38 pm

reanimation-06 wrote:
OwnZ joO wrote:Wow dude, some people have it different than you you know?! I'm not saying its ok to shoot people, that's completely wrong, but you have no idea what his life is like, because you are not him
of course I have no idea what his life is like, and im not him...
but what? he takes his anger out on others, shoots others to death? you think that is intelligent? if he had a working brain, he would have realized that the best he could do was admit his life sucked and move on, not go to a school, shoot everyone he sees, and then commit suicide... what would that have solved?

Where did I say he was intelligent. You were assuming you knew how his life was and comparing it to yours basically. Also from what Tural said, he was crazy and didn't do it because life sucked, the whole part about I am the natural selector... wow

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:07 am

OwnZ joO wrote:
reanimation-06 wrote:
OwnZ joO wrote:Wow dude, some people have it different than you you know?! I'm not saying its ok to shoot people, that's completely wrong, but you have no idea what his life is like, because you are not him
of course I have no idea what his life is like, and im not him...
but what? he takes his anger out on others, shoots others to death? you think that is intelligent? if he had a working brain, he would have realized that the best he could do was admit his life sucked and move on, not go to a school, shoot everyone he sees, and then commit suicide... what would that have solved?
Where did I say he was intelligent. You were assuming you knew how his life was and comparing it to yours basically. Also from what Tural said, he was crazy and didn't do it because life sucked, the whole part about I am the natural selector... wow

hm, no, this is because the argument usually ends up being that "no it wasn't his fault, he was raised by bad parents or something"... if his life was ok, then he had mental issues if he believed that killing 8 people and commiting suicide would change the problems he had beef with...
and really, i only know my own life, because every person on earth lives a different life, so stop repeating yourself and saying that i compare my standards to them, because i dont

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:01 pm

OwnZ joO wrote:
reanimation-06 wrote:
OwnZ joO wrote:Wow dude, some people have it different than you you know?! I'm not saying its ok to shoot people, that's completely wrong, but you have no idea what his life is like, because you are not him
of course I have no idea what his life is like, and im not him...
but what? he takes his anger out on others, shoots others to death? you think that is intelligent? if he had a working brain, he would have realized that the best he could do was admit his life sucked and move on, not go to a school, shoot everyone he sees, and then commit suicide... what would that have solved?
Where did I say he was intelligent. You were assuming you knew how his life was and comparing it to yours basically. Also from what Tural said, he was crazy and didn't do it because life sucked, the whole part about I am the natural selector... wow

Demented, not crazy.

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