[app] H3PEG by, Elite 747

Elite747 · Post by **Elite747** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:30 pm

I've updated my old app, the Halo 3 Emblem Generator, and now it works with both profiles and emblems. The background image names still need to be updated, but other than that, its in 100% working order!

Generates emblems as well as profile snapshots.

uses a nice setup for choosing your emblem shape, and all of your colors.

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note: if download gives you a weird message, do right-click>save as...

Th2mods · Post by **Th2mods** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:32 pm

woot i love it nice job

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:43 pm

Why would you not just use the correct emblem background names? My application provides all of them.

Also, why are you displaying the values? It makes it look messy.

Also, I find the choice of color to be rather unappealing. It distracts from the organized look of a standard form.

About the only thing I think you improved upon is the fact that you display the emblem previews, but nothing else is any better than previous applications have shown. Why reinvent the wheel?

Another thing, when you start the program, it shows a Steel Spartan, but your default values are not Steel, they are White, so whenever you change a value, it sets the color to White, rather than retaining the Steel you're displaying.

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:06 pm

nothing new, you shoulda just updated your other post... also, make something new like a random button or something that takes a bit of skill

Elite747 · Post by **Elite747** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:31 pm

Tural wrote:Why would you not just use the correct emblem background names? My application provides all of them.

Also, why are you displaying the values? It makes it look messy.

Also, I find the choice of color to be rather unappealing. It distracts from the organized look of a standard form.

About the only thing I think you improved upon is the fact that you display the emblem previews, but nothing else is any better than previous applications have shown. Why reinvent the wheel?

Another thing, when you start the program, it shows a Steel Spartan, but your default values are not Steel, they are White, so whenever you change a value, it sets the color to White, rather than retaining the Steel you're displaying.

wow. What can I do to NOT make you criticize everything?

I will make the correct names. I just didn't feel like doing it yet, as its the same code as before.

Whats unappealing about the choice of color? Its EXACTLY like how Halo 3 does it in the game engine.

It doesn't display the values. picture = older than final build. Please please actually download. Pictures do no justice.

Um, I've made it update as you change things. Thats new unlike the old one. The selection of player perms are actually in working order, unlike yours. I've run into a problem with yours a lot.

Why reinvent the wheel? Um, yeah. You did the same thing when you made your application do emblems. Don't criticize me for something YOU did too.

The steel/white thing is a simple error. And, it doesn't matter so much. Once you choose your actual colors, it makes no difference.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:39 pm

Elite747 wrote:It doesn't display the values. picture = older than final build. Please please actually download. Pictures do no justice.

Um, I've made it update as you change things. Thats new unlike the old one. The selection of player perms are actually in working order, unlike yours. I've run into a problem with yours a lot.

Why reinvent the wheel? Um, yeah. You did the same thing when you made your application do emblems. Don't criticize me for something YOU did too.

The steel/white thing is a simple error. And, it doesn't matter so much. Once you choose your actual colors, it makes no difference.

So get better pictures. I did check the application, did you consider the fact that it would be impossible for me to point out other flaws without downloading it? Yeah, great logic.

I don't see what relevance this has to my comment, I can't tell what you're addressing. Anyways, please tell me what problems mine has, considering I never encounter any, I'd love to hear what you're doing to break it, so it can be fixed. Nothing is going to be changed if you don't criticize. Hence my post. You get defensive when I explain why I dislike the program, and resort to attempting to degrade my credibility with your false claims.

I added emblems to mine to have both in one application. Yours only had emblems, I was not reinventing the wheel. Also, mine improved upon yours, as it actually updated as you changed it, and it had correct names. Again, flawed logic is prevalent here. You say I'm reinventing the wheel by not improving, despite the fact that I did. Hmm.

If it's a simple error, fix it. It would take less than a minute to do, so why not just fix the problem? Honestly, you're just being lazy if you refuse to fix it, citing it fixes itself after you change the colors. How about just make it fix itself in the first place, rather than it being incorrect?

XHN_SCRAPY · Post by **XHN_SCRAPY** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm

ill give ya some props more making a program even if its been done it doesn't hurt to be remade .... or sumthing like that lol nice job to all who's done the same.

Elite747 · Post by **Elite747** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:59 pm

Tural wrote:So get better pictures. I did check the application, did you consider the fact that it would be impossible for me to point out other flaws without downloading it? Yeah, great logic.

I don't see what relevance this has to my comment, I can't tell what you're addressing. Anyways, please tell me what problems mine has, considering I never encounter any, I'd love to hear what you're doing to break it, so it can be fixed. Nothing is going to be changed if you don't criticize. Hence my post. You get defensive when I explain why I dislike the program, and resort to attempting to degrade my credibility with your false claims.

I added emblems to mine to have both in one application. Yours only had emblems, I was not reinventing the wheel. Also, mine improved upon yours, as it actually updated as you changed it, and it had correct names. Again, flawed logic is prevalent here. You say I'm reinventing the wheel by not improving, despite the fact that I did. Hmm.

If it's a simple error, fix it. It would take less than a minute to do, so why not just fix the problem? Honestly, you're just being lazy if you refuse to fix it, citing it fixes itself after you change the colors. How about just make it fix itself in the first place, rather than it being incorrect?

Alright, lets back up for a moment. I have been working on this application, the profile part, before you even made yours, and I even said I was making it.

Elite747 on Sat Sep 22, 2007 wrote:The new URL's work like the emblems. I AM MAKING AN APP TO GENERATE THESE IMAGES! I've decoded a lot of it, but I can't find the color values, right shoulder, or the elites. =(

Not to be rude or anything, but I was really pissed when you made your application, after I recursively said that I was making one.

And, about the errors, its not laziness, its forgetfulness. I don't intentionally not do something. I forget to. Theres a not of errors that come out of this application. Its hard to fix every error. I barely pay attention to cosmetic errors (emblem names, some color crap, etc...) because I am very preoccupied with actual errors. I know its not smart not to check everything, but I'm only human. I'm not perfect. I tried to make the application, and make it really nice, but its not easy, and I am no serious program expert. I do it for fun, not because I am one of those super-programmers who can make everything thats anything, nor do I sit on my computer making programs 24/7.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:08 pm

I wanted an application to generate the player images, you hadn't produced one in the time I/KKC took to decode the values, so I made my own. Had you made one sooner, I wouldn't have made mine. It wasn't even really my idea, I was talking to KKC, and he was decoding values. I made the initial program to quickly cycle through possibilities, not function as a generator. When it came to the point where I had almost all of the values, I remade the entire program and released it. But in all honesty, you can't claim rights to an idea like that, several people had input on the values. You failed to create the application quickly, and I had the resources to do so, so I decided to assist the community by publishing my program. It's your own lack of speed, not my nonexistent theft that got mine out there first.

As for your "24/7" argument, that's just a generic defensive mechanism everyone uses when they're losing an argument. Honestly, are you insulting me for being a better programmer? If you accuse me of being better, perhaps you could learn from what I tell you, not treat me like crap for trying to help you make a better application.

You're saying you're not perfect, and you don't pay attention to the errors, but then you try to defend yourself when those errors get pointed out. Be more receptive to criticism, and fix the bugs that get pointed out. It's not a difficult task. I didn't say you were lazy making it, I said you were lazy updating it. I pointed out the color issue, and all you said was that it works if you change the colors, you made no comment that even hinted at a willingness to just fix the problem in the program. That is laziness, you're saying "Well, I know it's there, but I'm not going to fix it because I don't want to, and it fixes itself if I just force the user to change the values themselves, when my program should just work in the first place."

Short version: Stop being defensive. Use criticism to help you, not interpret it as some attack. I pointed out some flaws, it's not difficult to fix them, so why not do it? If you have no intention to make your program the best it can be, why bother releasing it and then defending it, if you know you're neglecting to fix things being brought to your attention?

Elite747 · Post by **Elite747** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:16 pm

Tural wrote:I wanted an application to generate the player images, you hadn't produced one in the time I/KKC took to decode the values, so I made my own. Had you made one sooner, I wouldn't have made mine. It wasn't even really my idea, I was talking to KKC, and he was decoding values. I made the initial program to quickly cycle through possibilities, not function as a generator. When it came to the point where I had almost all of the values, I remade the entire program and released it. But in all honesty, you can't claim rights to an idea like that, several people had input on the values. You failed to create the application quickly, and I had the resources to do so, so I decided to assist the community by publishing my program. It's your own lack of speed, not my nonexistent theft that got mine out there first.

As for your "24/7" argument, that's just a generic defensive mechanism everyone uses when they're losing an argument. Honestly, are you insulting me for being a better programmer? If you accuse me of being better, perhaps you could learn from what I tell you, not treat me like crap for trying to help you make a better application.

You're saying you're not perfect, and you don't pay attention to the errors, but then you try to defend yourself when those errors get pointed out. Be more receptive to criticism, and fix the bugs that get pointed out. It's not a difficult task. I didn't say you were lazy making it, I said you were lazy updating it. I pointed out the color issue, and all you said was that it works if you change the colors, you made no comment that even hinted at a willingness to just fix the problem in the program. That is laziness, you're saying "Well, I know it's there, but I'm not going to fix it because I don't want to, and it fixes itself if I just force the user to change the values themselves, when my program should just work in the first place."

Short version: Stop being defensive. Use criticism to help you, not interpret it as some attack. I pointed out some flaws, it's not difficult to fix them, so why not do it? If you have no intention to make your program the best it can be, why bother releasing it and then defending it, if you know you're neglecting to fix things being brought to your attention?

Wow. I never attacked you with the 24/7 thing. I never attacked anyone with that. I stated I wasn't one of them. I really don't give a fuck if you are a better programmer. I honestly don't. I never accused you of stealing, or anything of the sort. You just put yourself in the line of attack. I've actually really gotten sick of this shit. I got defensive in the first place because I misunderstood you. I'm at fault for that, and I am fixing my application now. I've already added randomization, and I'm getting into new things.

looking back at the years I've come here, I feel like I have wasted three years of my life. All I ever wanted was to have fun, make things for the fun and the joy of doing it. But, whenever it comes to release, its always criticism, attacks, flaming, issues, bugs, errors. Everything needs to be fixed. And when it does, something new arouses. Its amazing to me how I was sucked into it, and looking back, I feel like an idiot for giving into this repetitive cycle. Why. How. I will never know. But, I'm ending it right here and now. Here's what I've fixed and added. Deal with it. Because I'm never going to come back to it. I give up. I tried to do my best, at everything. Modding, programming, imagery. But, it just never is good enough.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:21 pm

One can never achieve perfection. The interest comes in the pursuit of it. You look at constant striving for perfection as negative, but it really should be what drives you to new heights.

asif333 · Post by **asif333** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:39 am

link doesn't work...

Shadow LAG · Post by **Shadow LAG** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:13 am

Tural wrote:Why would you not just use the correct emblem background names? My application provides all of them.

Also, why are you displaying the values? It makes it look messy.

Also, I find the choice of color to be rather unappealing. It distracts from the organized look of a standard form.

About the only thing I think you improved upon is the fact that you display the emblem previews, but nothing else is any better than previous applications have shown. Why reinvent the wheel?

Another thing, when you start the program, it shows a Steel Spartan, but your default values are not Steel, they are White, so whenever you change a value, it sets the color to White, rather than retaining the Steel you're displaying.

Don't be so harsh tural, He reinvented the wheel to see if he could. I mean is that so wrong? This isn't a competition of who's app is better and who's looks more proffesional. He wanted to see if he could, He did and he released.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am

Criticism drives improvement. If everyone just praised everything and did not point out the flaws, we would never get anything accomplished. I posted my feelings towards the program. I am fully entitled to do that.

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:02 pm

I predict the next post will be someone ending the argument by being mature and possibly admitting that they shouldn't have argued or criticized.

Good App by the way.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:05 pm

Aumaan Anubis wrote:admitting that they shouldn't have criticized.

Explain this to me. I feel that I pretty clearly addressed that in my previous post.

Furthermore, the argument was done, Shadow LAG brought it back up.

Aumaan Anubis · Post by **Aumaan Anubis** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:09 pm

Tural wrote:
Aumaan Anubis wrote:admitting that they shouldn't have criticized.
Explain this to me. I feel that I pretty clearly addressed that in my previous post.

Furthermore, the argument was done, Shadow LAG brought it back up.

It was not directly addressed at you. The "criticism" I mentioned was not the comments directed at the application, but more of the conflicting opinions clashing in this thread.

I should have been more clear.

PlasmaGhost · Post by **PlasmaGhost** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:36 pm

I feel the same way as you, Elite 747. Everytime I try to help the community, people like Tural come in and think they are so much better than you.

I'm glad he made this because a few days ago, yours wouldn't work, Tural. Disliking the color choice is your problem, I don't have any issue with it.

Instead of going all out against Elite, you should have just kindly gave him tips. Sure, bugs make you look like a less experienced programmer, but maybe it really doesn't matter. It doesn't hinder your ability to use the application correctly, now does it?

And because of people like who, he will probably follow the same route I have: quit helping the community and only leech from it.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:48 pm

k.

You know, you're going out of your way to incite problems with me in a discussion that's continuously trying to end. You are the one causing more problems, not me. The discussion was over 8 days ago, why are you bringing it up again, and trying to start more arguments? If you notice, I wasn't really being rude towards him in my first post. It didn't turn sour until he replied to it. I was first, asking why he would ignore the resources at his disposal. Then, I presented my opinions on the look, that can't be disputed, as it is my opinion. Go ahead and argue that, I don't care. Third, I made a logical argument. Nothing was really improved upon, so why reinvent the wheel. There was plenty that could be done or fixed in this program, and there's plenty that could be done in mine. Had he done more than I, I would have better appreciated it. I just don't see any reason to release a virtually identical application with a different UI.

As for the "yours didn't work" thing: That's a server problem. If his functioned and mine did not, it was likely just a problem with the connection. He calls his image the same way I call mine, they are completely identical in their methods, so for you to claim it is a fault in my application is completely incorrect and illogical.

PlasmaGhost · Post by **PlasmaGhost** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:29 pm

I would have reacted exactly how he did, and I'm sure you would've too.

Yet again, yours does not work, his does.

And displaying the emblem previews is very handy. It makes the creation process go much quicker, especially if you're experimenting and not just copying values from your Halo 3 profile.

His program also displays the colors, which is a handy feature too.

The only person prolonging this argument is you, simply because you deny any good in his program. You have to come to the conclusion that his program is better and easier to use than yours (even if yours actually worked).