Starting grenades

CaptainPoopface · Post by **CaptainPoopface** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:19 pm

As far as I know, you can only choose whether you start with plasmas, frags, or neither. Whichever type you start with, you will start with two, even if the bipeds have a one-grenade carrying capacity. Is there a way to change this to, e.g., 4 plasmas and 6 frags to start?

I have searched the forum and found no satisfactory answer. In a post from a couple of years back, xbox7887 suggests using H2x, but my versions of H2x are missing the required scnr plugin, or H2x doesn't like my modded maps.

Is there another way?

Edit: I can think of a hacky, ugly way - start the biped with 2 modded grenades that each chain spawn half as many grenades (ammo) as you really want to start with. That's dirty though. I'm looking for a more legit solution.

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:53 pm

First you can start by changing the max count of grenades in the "grenades" reflexives in [matg] tag.

CaptainPoopface · Post by **CaptainPoopface** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:58 pm

That does not affect starting grenades.

Post by **grimdoomer** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:13 am

in the biped mabey or equipment idk

UpsetSpy · Post by **UpsetSpy** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:30 am

IDK if this will cause the game to freeze but maybe duplicating the starting equipment chunk in the SCNR tag and just nulling out the weapon & swapping up the grenade types for the duplicated chunk.

modsforfun · Post by **modsforfun** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:59 pm

Ent bipd so grimdoomer is right.

..just finished testing a map I've ben working on with 4sticky starting grunts and 20 for my {custom} bipd

CaptainPoopface · Post by **CaptainPoopface** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:40 am

I have long since tried adjusting the settings in the [bipd] and [matg] tags, and they do not affect starting (STARTING) grenades for me, although of course they affect the grenade carrying capacity.

Are you sure, modsforfun?

Where is that magic "2" that sets the number of starting grenades? I have never run across it.

I have also tried cloning [eqip] chunks onto the grenade [itmc]s, with the intention that picking up (or starting with) each nade [itmc] would give you more than one nade, but that doesn't work.

EDIT: Great news! I found a reflexive in the XML plugin called Starting Profiles that has chunk for starting frag count and starting plasma count. I found a map that has a starting profile defined in it, and I set both the starting nade counts!

It didn't work.

So far, I think my dirty chain spawn solution is the only workable one.

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:02 am

Well the only sugestion that i have for you, is to try to add a spawning effect,like in coop, and by this effect spaw the greande equipt.
But i did never try to enable the spawning effect on MP.

xzodia · Post by **xzodia** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:39 am

scnr Plugin wrote: <struct name="Player Starting Profile" offset="248" visible="True" size="68" label="Name">
<string32 name="Name" offset="0" visible="True" />
<float name="Starting Health Damage" offset="32" visible="True" />
<float name="Starting Shield Damage" offset="36" visible="True" />
<tag name="Primary Weapon" offset="40" visible="True" />
<id name="Primary Weapon" offset="44" visible="True" />
<short name="Rounds loaded" offset="48" visible="True" />
<short name="Rounds Total" offset="50" visible="True" />
<tag name="Secondary Weapon" offset="52" visible="True" />
<id name="Secondary Weapon" offset="56" visible="True" />
<short name="Rounds loaded" offset="48" visible="True" />
<short name="Rounds Total" offset="50" visible="True" />
<byte name="Starting Fragmentation Grenade Count" offset="64" visible="True" />
<byte name="Starting Plasma Grenade Count" offset="65" visible="True" />
<byte name="Starting -Unknown- Grenade Count" offset="66" visible="True" />
<byte name="Starting -Unknown- Grenade Count" offset="67" visible="True" />
</struct>

CaptainPoopface · Post by **CaptainPoopface** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:13 am

Thanks Xzodia. It really looks like it should work, but it doesn't. Not for me. I set the values to 11 or 17, and I start with my 2 trusty nades every time.

The name of the starting profile chunk I think is "player profile_0". It's from an SP map. Is there something I need to do to activate or select the profile? I'd expect it to be chosen automatically when there's only one controller plugged in...

I'd be surprised if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:21 am

That's for SP won't work on syslink or more than 2 players >_>

xzodia · Post by **xzodia** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:56 pm

well you could set item collections 3 to 6 in Starting Equipment to grenade collections, that at least would let you choose an extra 4 grenades

Edit: Just did a bit of poking around and came up with just what you need...or at least i know for certain what tag its in and im about 90% sure i found the right values

Get my new mulg plugin XD
(and while your there check out my new vehi plugin 0.9 its full of a lot of awsome and 100% correct new stuff)

CaptainPoopface · Post by **CaptainPoopface** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:52 pm

Wow, the elusive "2" has been found at last.

The only thing is, I don't see any results from changing it... The indefatigable 2 remains.

Bugger.

I haven't tried your itmc suggestion for the starting equipment, but that sounds like a good idea. I always wondered what those extra slots were for. If it works, then cloning chunks there might be the solution, as UpsetSpy suggests.

xzodia · Post by **xzodia** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:33 am

well i must have named the wrong value then however know for a fact that its somewhere in the mulg