Modding Illegal?

W00g3rB00g3r · Post by **W00g3rB00g3r** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:00 pm

I know facts and law, and the fact is, modding is not illegal.
They ban Xboxes and Accounts because they don't want unfair advantages over others...
Are you saying modifying a car is illegal? No...modding is only illegal if you use it illegally such as game piracy...you can do whatever you want with whatever you buy, computers, Xboxes, cars, etc.
But some are saying it is illegal, please tell me why you think it is illegal?

Sgt.Peppers · Post by **Sgt.Peppers** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:02 pm

We're fully aware.

W00g3rB00g3r · Post by **W00g3rB00g3r** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:02 pm

Right, I know, but I know a lot of people that say it is illegal, I just want to know where they are comming from...

Sgt.Peppers · Post by **Sgt.Peppers** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:07 pm

It's illegal to mod your xbox and start a business out of it, like selling them etc... *As far as I know, just modding your own xbox for your own personal use is ok.

*I'm not 100% certain, note the "AS FAR AS I KNOW"

W00g3rB00g3r · Post by **W00g3rB00g3r** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:10 pm

Right, that is making profit off of other peoples stuff, that is a different catagory though...

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:00 pm

its totally llegal

you will be executed if caught modding halo 2!!!

bibbit · Post by **bibbit** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:44 pm

tomg44 wrote:you will be executed if caught modding halo 2!!!

Eh, it's worth it.

newbymodder · Post by **newbymodder** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:04 pm

bibbit wrote:
tomg44 wrote:you will be executed if caught modding halo 2!!!
Eh, it's worth it.

totally worth it

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:12 pm

No, it's still illegal, but M$ isn't gonna come after every small person who mods their box, they're mostly after the bigger players that sell modded boxes and whatnot. I don't remember how it's illegal, but I think it has to do with by using the xbox, you agree to their license and that includes not to modify it or something...

. Doffy · Post by **. Doffy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:47 am

Sgt.Peppers wrote:It's illegal to mod your xbox and start a business out of it, like selling them etc... *As far as I know, just modding your own xbox for your own personal use is ok.

*I'm not 100% certain, note the "AS FAR AS I KNOW"

blackdiamond · Post by **blackdiamond** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:23 am

it is illegal to copy the halo 2 disc, which most of us all have done

newbymodder · Post by **newbymodder** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:49 am

blackdiamond wrote:it is illegal to copy the halo 2 disc, which most of us all have done

i thought it was illegal to make copies and distribute it for your own profit not burn it to your harddrive but any way selling a modded box is illegal because your changing what Microsoft has made with what you have added on and selling it and i guess halo 2 could fall into play if say oh you sell your box with games on the harddrive and halo 2 is on there then your breaking alot of rules lol because now your selling like lots of games illegally and movies well thats only if i sold mine i guess.

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:56 am

You guys, modding your xbox is illegal, then end. But M$ isn't going to hunt out every single person that does it, just they big players that premod xbox's to sell and things of that nature, I know people keep saying that in this thread, but they say it like it's not illegal, when in fact you are breaking the terms of use that you agree to when using an xbox.

newbymodder · Post by **newbymodder** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:24 pm

well idk why a modded box would be any different thats a stupid term of use for it i mean people add stuff to pc's all the time like bigger harddrives ect i understand what your saying but i mean that law is retarded on M's behalf

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:55 am

Well a gaming console is a completely different than a PC even though an xbox really is a computer made for only video games, PCs are made to be upgradeable, they don't put anything like that in the terms of use or anything, but gaming consoles should all be pretty much exactly equal, so that noone has an advantage.

W00g3rB00g3r · Post by **W00g3rB00g3r** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:36 pm

No, modding ISN'T illegal, and same with copying discs, as long as you bought it LEGIT, you can back-up, modify, WHATEVER! MS reserves the right to deny/ban Live from users for modifying because that is against their XBOX LIVE (not non-live users) TOS!

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:48 pm

Actually, modding is illegal for the most part. Every time someone makes a mod, they have no rights to it (except for the content in the mod that is their own). So by editing and changing parts of the game, we're violating a few rights. I don't feel like going in to full detail though.

W00g3rB00g3r · Post by **W00g3rB00g3r** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:53 pm

We're not saying we MADE the game, if anything, we are saying we made the MODIFICATIONS, no one says I MADE HALO 2, BOW DOWN TO ME BIOTCHES! You can't say that...but you can say I made the Mods...

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:10 pm

W00g3rB00g3r wrote:We're not saying we MADE the game, if anything, we are saying we made the MODIFICATIONS, no one says I MADE HALO 2, BOW DOWN TO ME BIOTCHES! You can't say that...but you can say I made the Mods...

We're not saying its wrong to mod the game, we're just saying that it's still illegal, we just do it in a way that is less illegal than we could, so people don't wanna come after us. We try to avoid ripping content from other games and cheating mods on live, or anything that would make us a target.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:21 pm

newbymodder wrote:well idk why a modded box would be any different thats a stupid term of use for it i mean people add stuff to pc's all the time like bigger harddrives ect i understand what your saying but i mean that law is retarded on M's behalf

Computers can't be copyrighted, game consoles can, and are.

I do love how everyone claims the law is retarded, as is Microsoft, for:
A) Copyrighting their work.
B) Not really enforcing the law, which they could if they wanted to. They could server up CaD letters left and right, they choose not to so long as the people doing the action aren't damaging their business and whatever other reasons they have.

Great logic, really. Yeah, everything should be open source, everything should be free, we don't need a legal system, we don't need copyright laws, this is just the man's way of keeping us down. CURSE YOU, GOVERNMENT!