Just my two cents

[Tural]

The problem is that you're not providing any truly solid points. Nearly everything you said has been refuted with conclusive evidence.

[foxfanatic23I7]

This is kind of relevant. Some of the people or staff act better than others, just because they are more respected; that's not right. When I login, that's the way it feels to me. I just see people acting liek they are better than others. I haven't been around for very long, but it just seems that way, more and more since I came here.

[Trulife8342]

The problem is that you're not providing any truly solid points. Nearly everything you said has been refuted with conclusive evidence.

You dont need too much evidence just look how things were run in 04 and look now, its like 2 different websites. Sometimes you need to learn to read between the lines.

[GametagAeonFlux]

From here on out, let all hell break loose. This section says "Is somebody flaming or causing problems?" That doesn't mean to say "somebody" is causing problems. Just fucking say their name already people. We can't deal with the problem when all you're doing is beating around the bush.

[Tural]

You dont need too much evidence just look how things were run in 04 and look now, its like 2 different websites. Sometimes you need to learn to read between the lines.

You can't make a valid argument like that. You need to be able to provide some clear information if you expect anyone to be able to engage in a discussion about it.

[GametagAeonFlux]

You dont need too much evidence just look how things were run in 04 and look now, its like 2 different websites. Sometimes you need to learn to read between the lines.

Things were different in 2004 because the site was small. 99% of the people who came here were those who were solely interested in advancing Halo modding, furthering it. They weren't just trying to make a "fun mod" with projectile swaps and other lame things. They were competing with each other to make outstanding mods that would blow everyone elses' out of the water and make people wonder how they did it.

As Halo modding got bigger, more people who were just interested in the quick and easy mods found out about the site. When Halo 2 arrived, we had the same thing happen again. Everyone was working together and competing in a friendly manner, like a community. Then once all the tools were made and the great modders gone, on came the storm of newbies. And from there you are left with the state we are in now, where people have a lack of creativity because they have no inspiration to improve themselves. The standards are low because nobody is going into the modding section and making a mod that makes people say "Wow, I want to be as good as that guy!"

Just my two cents.

[Trulife8342]

From here on out, let all hell break loose. This section says "Is somebody flaming or causing problems?" That doesn't mean to say "somebody" is causing problems. Just *** say their name already people. We can't deal with the problem when all you're doing is beating around the bush.

Ok, Lets start off by simply saying this is not meant to call anyone out, Just simply to speak my mind on somethings I feel should be fixed.

I remember the whole dootuz incident, This is directed to who ever banned him, Now I spoke with him and he told me he wasnt allowed back to the site unless he wrote properly, Meaning no LOLZ WTF!!!!!shift+1, Though it can be annoying to see that, Staff or let alone anyone has the right to take that from someone.

Then there are small arrogant statements made by lots of people, Lets say Veegie (like I said nothing against anyone just speaking my mind), Sure he knows what he is doing, He is an amazing rendering artist, But look his render submission topic, his first posts were awesome, he told people great job, or he would say, you could fix this and it would look great man, then it started going to, This sucks, and shouldnt even be in this topic. I mean isnt it the same amount of effort to say things nicely?

Then there is Tural, Tural before you became a staff member you were awesome (and still are when your on live), But when you became staff you became some what power driven, Your posts were full of big words and long sentences that left people feeling stupid and needed to repeat English 4 honors, Now there is nothing wrong with using big words, but its so much easier to just talk regular, Im sure you dont talk to your friends like you do online, and if you do then im glad I dont know you in real life because I would have to carry asprin with me 24/7 (just joking)

Other than that I dont have too much of a problem, all im saying is try not to view yourselves as people who are held above members, if it wasnt for us you guys wouldnt do anything, We have a huge role in this site and sometimes we just get fustrated because we feel like no one listens to us.

Once again sorry if this topic heated and heads I was just speaking my mind.

Thanks for your time.

Edit: GTAF I agree with you and that is also a huge part of the problem, but we have to help do something to motivate modders, I hate seeing the site in the state that its in now.

[Tural]

I remember the whole dootuz incident, This is directed to who ever banned him, Now I spoke with him and he told me he wasnt allowed back to the site unless he wrote properly, Meaning no LOLZ WTF!!!!!shift+1, Though it can be annoying to see that, Staff or let alone anyone has the right to take that from someone.

Then there is Tural, Tural before you became a staff member you were awesome (and still are when your on live), But when you became staff you became some what power driven, Your posts were full of big words and long sentences that left people feeling stupid and needed to repeat English 4 honors, Now there is nothing wrong with using big words, but its so much easier to just talk regular, Im sure you dont talk to your friends like you do online, and if you do then im glad I dont know you in real life because I would have to carry asprin with me 24/7 (just joking)

I don't know why he said that, but that comment is 100% false. His spelling had absolutely nothing to do with his banning. While yes, many didn't like it, we would never, ever ban someone for that. Any staff member can confirm there was an ungodly amount of evidence against him, which led to his ban.

As for my comments, I really do talk like that in real life. As dumb as it sounds to be saying that, most of the time it's true. The sole difference of being online is that I can proofread before I click submit. In general, however, I do speak much like I type. I don't change my grammar and vocabulary when I sit down at my computer. I say what I want to say as I would say it out loud. Before I became staff, I was quite a different person. A lot of things changed, and none of them were relevant to the internet, really. My behavior changed as a result of changes in my life, mostly pertaining to the people I talked to and the expectations people asked of me. I was a bit more immature before I became staff. The becoming staff and behavior changes aren't a cause-effect relationship, they were simply simultaneous events. The only real difference between how I talk in real life, and how I type online is that I swear a lot more in real life.

[ScottyGEE]

Oh and Tural, If I wanted staff just for a title I think I would have bitched about only having 1 emblem, Ask anyone I speak to on aim, I want to be staff to help show members that staff arent just here to lock topics and ban people.

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so excuse me if I missed some points....But Trulife, I am offeneded by that last comment. Ever since being staff I have tried to improve the place. Perhaps I should just delete the hall of fame, post like a total bitch instead of being nice, close all the competitions, stop modding, stop trying to bring people together to make good mods obive all else, stop helping people out and fixing things that have gone unnoticed by other non halo modding staff and leave because all I do in your eyes is lock topics and ban people

I always thought I was a more of a light hearted person who would much rather help and lighten things up then punish people for doing wrong. I only do that when I have to, heck, I said I didn't really even want to be staff in my request of powers post awhile back. All I wanted to do was improve things around halo 2 (and have said if you find any problems PM me) and attempt to bring more people together instead of a '1337 vs noob modder' style splitup. I was granted it and I have been helping as an extra kind gesture because this place has been really fun for me and I would hate for it to die later on its life after my experiences.

I figure that the posts were not fully directed at me, but saying it generally not only offends me but I'm sure it insults other staff who are just doing it to help and have fun also.

[KiDD]

I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.

Excuse me? What are you talking about? I've never, NEVER seen Snaf 'gang up' on anyone at all. Secondley, Trulife's motivations for becoming staff have already been pointed out several times. He wants to help people, and as said before, you don't need to be staff to help.

go to my Shut down WIP topic in halo ce art studio.

he said it looked like crap pasted together.

Then he came back and brought a fight from H2Vista.net over here. He started to flame my cocky. hes a cocky stuck up bastard,

[JK-47]

He started to flame my cocky

What?


.....Anyways, the whole incident with Snaf has pretty much nothing to do with Trulife's point. He's talking about staff, not members.
I've noticed some harshness from a select few staff members only a few times. I don't really look out for it, though. I don't exactly mind either, everyone gets frustrated.

[Gumbo]

*Takes a deep breath*

So your saying that Staff are being too cruel? Ha! They're just being like any other member you see here. Just imagine this:

- Newb creates piece of s***
- Staff tells him it's a piece of s***
- Newb has hissy fit, then leaves project to waste
- Newbness is stopped!
- Newb turns into a real boy, then researches how to actually mod.

Now this is Tru's fantasy:

- Newb creates piece of s***
- Staff compliments on 'good' work but tells him to work harder
- Newb modifies s*** into even more s***
- Complete cycle follows until good old criticism is given.


Sometimes in life you need someone to yell at you, deal with it.
Well there goes my reputation of.....posting....


PS. If a newb can't handle being criticized, then what's the point? Really?

[JK-47]

Well, Gumbo, you don't always have to be so straight forward with newbs and their bad mods. Sure, it may be crap, but you don't have to be so harsh about it, and come out and tell him it's complete crap. You can say it's bad and note the reasons of why it's bad.
That's called constructive criticism. What I see around here most of the time is harsh criticism. We want to encourage people to stay and learn more about moding, not scare them away or insult them.

[Gumbo]

Oh well, it may be fun but I guess you're right.

I just see a lot of people sucking up to newbies here, supporting pieces of s***.

[JK-47]

I just see a lot of people sucking up to newbies here, supporting pieces of s***.

As do I. All we can really do is be supportive and hope they'll learn more, though.

[neodos]

To be honest some moderators/admins doesn't care about what members have to say.

I flamed, besides it seems that is the only way to be able to get in contact with a moderator.

What's wrong? the way people critize everything here, not only admins or moderators, some members do critize without arguing about what they don't like in a mod/artwork... without knowing about how to do what they critize.

You can critize something but not only say something like "i don't like it, it's crap,it sucks"; you could tell what's wrong(sometimes they do,sometimes) and what the modder/artist can do to make it better(the mod/artwork).

I started rendering and i stopped posting renders because some people's "critics".
It just the way people says things;there's no need to be so serious or pull down people and is that so hard to do? just change the way you tell things when you critize?
I don't think so.

I think this is one a the reasons the forum has a bad atmosphere, just stop getting so serious about the work put on mods/artworks be cool, you can critize and say what's wrong without "hurting" people and discourage members of continue to improve their work on what they make.

In my opinion moderators and admins should be neutral, the emblems just create a difference between those who don't have and those who have, yes i am complaining and i know i will never get one now because i decided to say what i think to moderators when i want.

Editing sigs of the members is ok, but once again there's no need to put a comment to disgrace the user "in public" instead of the moderator should send a PM to the user, that's all.

And everytime i go against a critic of a moderator they always try to make me look like a fool quoting me and trying to make fun of what i said(maybe because I and You misunderstood because English is not my main language).


Now you are going to quote me again...

[Snave]

Alot of truth in this topic, although i can't put my finger on it, or point out any specific points or facts this site, for me personally is not a nice place to be anymore. Now whether or not this is down to the moderators or the users is unknown, or maybe even how the site is run.

Alot of people have to tried their best to change the place for the better, and they still are, and they somewhat succeeded. But being here since almost the begining, i can tell you that you will never be able to achieve what it was like back in the day, the community as a whole was in a completely different state for several reason that i wont go into.

Try and try again, but you won't ever succeed in having a community like that ever again.

[metkillerjoe]

He started to flame my cocky

What?


.....Anyways, the whole incident with Snaf has pretty much nothing to do with Trulife's point. He's talking about staff, not members.
I've noticed some harshness from a select few staff members only a few times. I don't really look out for it, though. I don't exactly mind either, everyone gets frustrated.

The point of this thread isn't just to expose the weakness of administration here it is to point out the reasons we think they are weak.

To Snave:

The fact is is that people want to see proof of this or that. Everybody knows what is going on, but we have this mindset that cannot be changed easily. I agree that the community will never go back to the way it was, but rewinding a few months back is all I'm aiming for.

[warlord]

The staff does help people, and since it's pretty obvious you're talking about Veegie...his criticism is just different. We're still a community and while his words may seem harsh, he has no malicious intent. It's just that he has a very dry sense of humor which most people don't pick up on right away.

A dry sense of humour?
many people find it easier to make iron-forge chuckle than trying to get advice from veegie is he dosnt know them or even dosnt like them there are many people who would ask for help and be slapped in the face.

This problem with new modders; new member wont create the perfect paradise of a map just by a few hours of work they need help advice and encouragement to learn their mistake and not be the subject or barbaric subjugative punishment its like the 1960's schools with the yard stick instead of helping its telling them to go finger their arses and get lost....how is that helping?

[Trulife8342]

To Scotty Gee, I shouldn't have said all staff aren't trying their best, We need more staff like you, You try and create friendly competition between members and thats something very positive.

And to the guy who said to tell newbs that their shit sucks, When I released my first mod it was shit, Just point blank crap, It was the dumbest AI mod ever, But TheTyckoMan told me that it was good for a first try now just do this and this and this to get better if you need help just contact me on aim, and then I started learning from tyckoman and xbox7887 they both pretty much took me under their wing and taught me how to mod. If TheTyckoMan just sat there and told me my mod was shit and there was nothing good about it, I wouldnt have touched my xbox to mod again, Sometimes the things you say do affect the outcome in a huge way.