GFX Emblems going to undeserving people?

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:49 pm

Even still he's not 'wrong' by giving it.
Say in order to achieve honours at your school you needed an A-, but they realize they realize to many people got it, so they changed it to an A, they weren't wrong, they merely raised the expectation.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:51 pm

They don't take it away from you though. You got it at the current standards, and to take away your reward for it because they changed the standards after you achieved it is completely idiotic.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:55 pm

Well I'm pretty sure they'd readjust it then give a large majority honours.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:57 pm

So you're saying this scenario is perfectly fine:

Teacher: Alright kids, to get an A you need to get 20 questions right.
- After test is over and kids are told their scores -
Teacher: Sorry, when I look back on it, too many of you did good. I'm taking away your A's now, after I've already given them to you. I'm going to make you look bad because I changed my mind, even though you all did what I wanted you to do.

If the emblems were given at one point, the czar clearly felt that they should be given at that time. It's not like he closed his eyes and randomly gave them out. At the current standards, they had earned it. To take it away long after it was given, because the czar changed his mind is ridiculous and unfair.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:14 pm

Oh man Tural I know your not gonna stop countering what I say, but heres the thing. There was never a specific expection, the czar just thoguht people made good sigs for the time and slowly slowly these good sig makers just became average so he felt they didn't really stick out anymore...so he removed em

Sgt.Peppers · Post by **Sgt.Peppers** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:18 pm

At the time they deserved them, just because they're not constantly spilling out amazing pieces of art doesn't mean they should be taken away.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:18 pm

Oh man, I guess I'm beat.
I SURRENDER.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:24 pm

Sarb wrote:Oh man Tural I know your not gonna stop countering what I say, but heres the thing. There was never a specific expection, the czar just thoguht people made good sigs for the time and slowly slowly these good sig makers just became average so he felt they didn't really stick out anymore...so he removed em

You don't seem to understand the concept of standards changing. If the standards change AFTER you do something, why does it make your previous accomplishments any different? I want you to tell me, right here, that people who get something at a standard, and then that standard changes, that their achievements are nullified and they should be downgraded. Tell me that it was fair to take away the emblems of people who did exactly what they were supposed to do at the time. Standards changing now has absolutely no effect on the previous standards, at all.

Sarb wrote:Oh man, I guess I'm beat.
I SURRENDER.

Sarcasm is pouring out of this comment, and, in all honesty, that has no place in this thread.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:26 pm

Tural I get it.
i just don't think he was wrong.
Gosh point proven thank you.
You get plus one awesome point. Congratz.

AHAHA i wasn't being sarcastic.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:26 pm

It wasn't fair, your right. Now what?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:29 pm

Sarb wrote:You get plus one awesome point. Congratz.

Keep your snide comments out of here. All of your points have been thoroughly defeated, and now you're resorting to acting like this because you're on the defensive. If you have no valid point to make, don't bother attempting to continue an argument with such comments.

Ombre wrote:It wasn't fair, your right. Now what?

That's all I want.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:34 pm

Those weren't my intentions, you just assumed they were.
You won the argument, good job, but please don't be an asshole about it.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:42 pm

I don't see a need for this argument to go on, we came to a verdict didn't we?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:59 pm

Sarb wrote:Those weren't my intentions, you just assumed they were.

If you have a specific intention in mind and you make a comment that can be interpreted in multiple ways, either explain yourself better or be willing to accept when another interpretation comes up.

McJix · Post by **McJix** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:57 am

I always liked reading Tural's posts. They always have strong opinions that keep up to a perfect cuase of what its trying to get done.

I agree 100%. You shouldn't get something taken away becuase the standards are suddenly raised. There's even a word to describe why you shouldn't: Grandfathering.

You can't keep petrified wood of the Red Trees in California anymore. But, if you owned it before this law was put in place, you could still keep it. I'd say give the emblems back. It's completely ridiculous.

DisceCruxLogos · Post by **DisceCruxLogos** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:13 am

I agree with Ombre, locking this discussion would most likely be best.

Edit: My post didn't really call for discussion.

kibito87 · Post by **kibito87** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:38 am

DisceCruxLogos wrote:Tural's comments are about 60% ego, but he's right most of the time, so I guess it works out.

That sentence is wrong in so many ways.

Iron_Forge · Post by **Iron_Forge** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:44 am

First off, the way I see it, few posts should ever be locked simply because they're "going nowhere"...If there is no flaming or abuse in the thread, it means the people who are keeping it going nowhere, are doing so for a reason...It's not like this thread is in a forum that gets 10 new threads a day and is taking up valuable space from others...When a thread is ready to die, it will...Until then, you're just stopping forum members from using the forum for what it was meant for...

Now, removing the emblems was a mistake, plain and simple...At this point, it really doesn't matter why that mistake was made, or the czar's motivation for making the mistake...The mistake was made...Mistakes happen all the time around here, let this be a learning experience...

Emblems should not be removed simply because people aren't active anymore, or their work no longer "meets the criteria"...Look at all my emblems...You think anything I've done would still earn me half of them?..Probably not...But it did when I did it, and I should be recognized as the super awesome guy I am for doing the things I've done...

To my knowledge (assuming my memory is what it used to be), the only person to ever have a real emblem removed was ScottyGEE, because it was given to him as an honest mistake...I believe it was a tutorial he posted, but didn't actually write, or something along those lines...In this situation, removing the emblem was probably the correct course of action, and Scotty was pretty cool and calm about the whole thing...

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:59 am

Yes, Iron Forge states his opinion as clear as crystal.
If you think this topic should be locked, you are taking away the privileges that others were given. I see no flaming here, yet all I manage to find in this thread is a great discussion.

But here is a question for the rest of you:
Why argue over a tiny picture that represents a hard to get award? you were awarded it, enjoy it while you can and be happy you have earned it. if yours was taken away either by mistake, or on purpose, (for god knows what reason) then you should take the time you spent complaining about it, and instead, use the time to regain the emblem by redoing what you did to earn it. it's that simple. take from your knowledge you have gained in your field, and use it to your advantage to earn back what you lost.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:31 am

Iron_Forge wrote:To my knowledge (assuming my memory is what it used to be), the only person to ever have a real emblem removed was ScottyGEE, because it was given to him as an honest mistake...I believe it was a tutorial he posted, but didn't actually write, or something along those lines...In this situation, removing the emblem was probably the correct course of action, and Scotty was pretty cool and calm about the whole thing...

Might be talking about me, because I had my "Pi" Emblem removed for the same reason.