Halo 2 vista xp arguements

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:16 pm

Why are the loaders against the rules exactly? If you own a legit copy of Xp and Halo 2 Vista, why would it be illegal in any way?

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:17 pm

G.I.R. wrote:Why are the loaders against the rules exactly? If you own a legit copy of Xp and Halo 2 Vista, why would it be illegal in any way?

Both gta and Locke are against it. If you wish to bring a case against it, take it up with one of them.

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:35 pm

So:
-buying a PC game and wanting to play it on a different PC OS without altering game files = bad
-ripping BSPs from Halo 2 Vista maps for use in Halo 2 Xbox = good

The logic is overwhelming.

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:09 am

DWells55 wrote:So:
-buying a PC game and wanting to play it on a different PC OS without altering game files = bad
-ripping BSPs from Halo 2 Vista maps for use in Halo 2 Xbox = good

The logic is overwhelming.

personaly i dont like the fact that their trying to rip h2v to h2x because no doubt somone is gonna rip a custom map sooner or later and their just gonna kill the h2v community altogether seeing as its having teething problems as it is....
i think they should what they did with the h3 bitmap and model extracter stuff ban discussion and such till the game has fully taken flight.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:27 am

This is a modding site, not a cracking site. It is not against the rules, but it's not what this site is about. There are other sites to go to if you wish to find out about setting it up on XP. Nobody is claiming it's illegal. We're simply saying that's not what this site is for.

DWells, you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. I recommend getting the information about the situation before you assume all kinds of things, otherwise you just end up looking very arrogant because you're talking down to people despite them not saying what you claim they say.

Warlord, this situation is completely different from the Halo 3 situation. It is not the same in any way, at all.

On top of all this, he never even said he was using XP. Way to jump to conclusions everyone.

llama_juice · Post by **llama_juice** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:06 am

This should be a PM... but I'd rather it be public. This is less of an "attack" on Tural as it is just my thoughts on the HM community as a whole right now.

Tural wrote:On top of all this, he never even said he was using XP. Way to jump to conclusions everyone.

halo0001 wrote:just wondering are you using XP if you are, then thats why all the loaders will not work with live (and there against the rules here), otherwise i have no idea.

The first post that brought up XP. No, he didn't say that he was using it, it's just seems to be a common problem these days. Rather than expressing your dislike for the community that you feel has stabbed you twice over, why don't you think about why that has happened and why you feel that users don't just accept your word for THE WORD.

No, you didn't say that you believe this way, but you do ACT like it a lot. Actions speak a whole lot louder than words and you don't even need to say anything.

I have nothing against you, I'm just sick of others looking out at the "general noob" and saying that they need to stop criticizing others. He offered good advice and asked a good question.

Also I agree with DWells55

DWells55 wrote:So:
-buying a PC game and wanting to play it on a different PC OS without altering game files = bad
-ripping BSPs from Halo 2 Vista maps for use in Halo 2 Xbox = good

The logic is overwhelming.

Same thing happened with Halo 1 way back when. Hizlo released a map pack on the xbox of the Halo PC/CE maps that CAME WITH THE GAME. The people who run the site didn't really do anything to even attempt to make people realize that he's breaking the LAW.

Now that it's come to H2V... it seems that the website has "higher morals" for MOST THINGS but... even still I have yet to see any rebuttal of any sort against ripping the two H2V maps that came with the game and porting them to Xbox.

Tural, I respect you for what you've done to the site and for the community, but your attitude about this community has made us feel the way we do about you.

*climbs off of my podium and walks into the sunset*

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:37 am

You do realize that I'm making public the decisions of other staff members, and that that wasn't my decision. I don't really care what people do. Personally, I would not have banned the discussion, because I don't see it as that big of a deal. I do not ever moderate the H2V on XP discussions, I leave that to the people who decide that they don't like it. You're doing the same thing everyone likes to do, use me as a representative for the whole staff. I am not the entire staff, you need to confront the people who made the decision, not the person presenting it.

Further clarification: We don't care what you do, at all. Go right ahead and play H2V on XP. We're not going to stop you. We're not going to tell you to stop. We're simply saying that this site is not for H2V-XP. The board is not for XP support. The board is for help with Halo 2 Vista modding, not with Halo 2 Vista running on XP via a workaround. That's why it doesn't work, because it's not supported by the game. If you have a problem with the loaders, you need to go ask the people who made them, or find a site which supports help for them, we are not here to troubleshoot H2V on XP. Seriously, how can this not be understood?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:40 am

I decided to split and move the topic. The topic had been derailed enough from the poor guy.

I guess moving it here will allow more "ontopic" discussion. But I don't think this thread will last long... As its been said we are a modding site not a cracking site. Its not as if we're banning people for using it on XP (that I know of), but we just don't want any disucssion of it being used on XP and the like.

The h2x and h2v discussion is something I am confused about also. I am not sure of the legal parts in it. But I don't see the harm in releasing a serenity file which has the converted bsp in it...But as I said, I don't know if thats legal or not still (as one still does not own vista)

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:41 am

ScottyGEE wrote:The h2x and h2v discussion is something I am confused about also. I am not sure of the legal parts in it. But I don't see the harm in releasing a serenity file which has the converted bsp in it...But as I said, I don't know if thats legal or not still (as one still does not own vista)

I believe custom BSPs are fine, but converting the official maps that are H2V exclusive to H2X is not allowed.

OwnZ joO · Post by **OwnZ joO** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:10 am

Tural wrote: DWells, you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. I recommend getting the information about the situation before you assume all kinds of things, otherwise you just end up looking very arrogant because you're talking down to people despite them not saying what you claim they say.

Both work in this situation, but ignorant seems a better choice, or even both ignorant and arrogant.
Despite this being off-topic, I'll respond. Arrogance is dominant here because he's acting as if we're retarded and have flawed logic. He talks down to us as if his logic is so much better than ours. The post is arrogant, the reasoning is ignorant.

Tural wrote:
ScottyGEE wrote:The h2x and h2v discussion is something I am confused about also. I am not sure of the legal parts in it. But I don't see the harm in releasing a serenity file which has the converted bsp in it...But as I said, I don't know if thats legal or not still (as one still does not own vista)
I believe custom BSPs are fine, but converting the official maps that are H2V exclusive to H2X is not allowed.

That's what would make sense to me, since the maps aren't Bungies intelectual property, and you're allowed to distribute custom maps to other people to play against them, so custom maps shouldn't be a problem.

llama_juice · Post by **llama_juice** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:24 am

Tural like I said in my opening line I wasn't attacking you, I was stating my opinion on how the community has changed.

My comments on YOU were from your post you made a while ago saying that the community treats you like dirt and that "when your use here is up, you'll leave" or something like that.

People have been wanting to convert Tombstone and Desolation to Vista just as much as people have been trying to port Uplift and.... that other one to Xbox

The H2V people seem to be more against porting them because of the legal issues... even though the legality is the same.

And on that note, same thing with porting the maps from H1 to H2... or vice versa people seem to be okay with that, even though it's the exact same legal situation.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:25 am

llama_juice wrote:My comments on YOU were from your post you made a while ago saying that the community treats you like dirt and that "when your use here is up, you'll leave" or something like that.

I've said nothing of the sort, ever. I believe you're confusing me with someone else.

As for the porting, there is very little gray area. We don't allow cross-game ports. It doesn't matter which platforms are involved. If they get posted and don't get taken care of, report them to us via the reporting thread and they will be.

llama_juice · Post by **llama_juice** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:05 am

are you sure?... I was 94.35% sure that was you...

/feels like asshat

An example of a port from one game to another that was tolerated....

http://forums.halomods.com/viewtopic.php?t=29581

not a port, but it has H1 stuff in it. His disclaimer?

The Swamp Fox wrote:And lastly, do not download this mod if you do not legally own Halo 1.

That's like if I were to post a mapfile of lockout and said "Don't download unless if you legally own Halo 2" sure his is to a lesser degree... but... it's still the same idea

People accepted that one without a problem even though it has ripped content.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:08 am

Yeah, I'm positive it wasn't me.

I was always against that, but I wasn't staff at the time it was posted. I removed the download now.

llama_juice · Post by **llama_juice** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:14 am

Lol, Nice... altering the evidence I see how it is.

I have nothing else to say right now.

Except... do you know who did say that?... its bothering me that I can't remember... argh

And the search function is useless by the way.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:16 am

Evidence?

I don't recall anyone saying something like that, it seems quite uncharacteristic of the staff members I talk to.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:39 am

llama_juice wrote:Lol, Nice... altering the evidence I see how it is.

Excuse me? It was probably just something that was overlooked, you pointed it out, so it was removed. There's no need to call it "evidence" of any misbehavior on a staff member's part.

DJ_Gnomey · Post by **DJ_Gnomey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:49 am

This has nothing to do with cracking. It is a simple emulation situation which is legal if you own a copy of the emulated game. I would like to kill myself from how many arguments I have seen about this. Stop acting like a group of defected retards.

Now please lock this.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:53 am

Did you just call the entire staff "defected retards"? Are you trying to get banned?

And no, this won't be locked right now. I want to know where you get off calling people retarded while reposting the exact thing that's already been posted.

DJ_Gnomey · Post by **DJ_Gnomey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:56 am

No, I am calling the entire community who has asked me on AIM defected retards. I need to clear my history just so Trillain won't overload from my already 400 minimal messages a day.