Guns

[Prey]

I think I realized why people in the UK arepushing for us Americans to ban guns more than we are: they're still bitter that our right to bear arms over 200 years ago lost them the "new world." It was 200 years ago, folks, get over it .

Ok No.

I personally feel SAFER knowing I have the right (and exercise that right) to bear arms. If somebody breaks into my home, I'm not going to try to fight them off man to man, I'm going to make sure they don't get close at all.

Although the assailant will also have a gun, and be not afraid to use it. Perhaps he'll even come with friends! Woo lots of people shooting at you arent your chances high! Take guns out of the equation and youve got a chance if you run your ass off.

On top of that, it's just plain fun to hunt, target practice, and shoot clay pigeons. Don't knock it 'till you try it.

We also have all that.. you just rent the guns there, do whatever, and then hand'em back - So yes theres a risk, but at least these areas will be supervised.

[bricksarefun]

I like guns.

[FleetAdmiralBacon]

If someone breaks into my house - which is illegal (breaking and entering) - and attacks me - which is illegal (assault) - and tries to kill me - which is illegal (attempted murder) - then God damn it, I want to be able to protect myself - which is legal (self defense). A firearm is my best option.

The truth of the matter is, if guns were illegal it wouldn't mean that criminals couldn't have them by some means. Marijuana is illegal, yet people smoke it. Making something illegal does not remove it from any equation.

[rentafence]

Guns can not be made flat-out illegal.

Sure they can. The government will find some way to make the second ammendment sound different than how the founding fathers intended it. They want to ban guns all together so noone can stand against them.

That is the most factually unfounded thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Even if the law were to be passed, there'd be a Supreme Court case within a few years (Slow Judicial system, hate to say it) that would declare it unconstitutional. There are checks and balances for a reason. I suggest you think out your concepts a little further and educate yourself on how the government works before trying to present your misguided views as factual.

Sure, I sound crazy, but this is what I believe what will happen.

[Prey]

If someone breaks into my house - which is illegal (breaking and entering) - and attacks me - which is illegal (assault) - and tries to kill me - which is illegal (attempted murder) - then God **** it, I want to be able to protect myself - which is legal (self defense). A firearm is my best option.

The truth of the matter is, if guns were illegal it wouldn't mean that criminals couldn't have them by some means. Marijuana is illegal, yet people smoke it. Making something illegal does not remove it from any equation.

Ok good point, but when you say 'and attacks me'.. you mean shoot you right? Perhaps your not fast enough and he kills you first, gr8 nows hes got two guns, another for his collection/underage son.

Whats more, is he shoots you.. and then makes it look like suicide? Angle the shot correctly, puts the gun in your hand, whats to stop him if he covers his tracks?

Ok so the same could be said if the resident had no gun but the assailant did illegally, your pretty buggered in that situation. But if guns were so hard to lay hands on, the chances of that happening are so so so much more slimmer than if we all had access to a gun, no?

[Sgt.Peppers]

Making guns illegal would not solve anything at all. If someone wants to go on a shooting rampage, they will get a gun whether it's illegal or not. If they can't, they'd find another, possibly deadlier weapon, such as a bomb.

Thankyou Tural.

[Darco]

Look at it today. Guns are illegal for people under 21 right?

that might be true for some handguns, but im 18 and i legally own a deer rifle.
Also, in San Francisco it is illegal to own a gun. This is because the majority voted for it to pass. However, they do have shooting ranges (at least one that i know of) within the city limits. Im sure somebody could challenge the law, but as far as i know its yet to be overruled or anything.

[theycallmechad]

Well Prey, it sure sounds like somebody's been listening to the Anti US/Anti gun propaganda in the British Media a little too much... you really have no clue what you're talking about.

I'm okay with your side of the argument, but I'm not okay with you just spouting of random words to try to prove a point. The fact is that you don't like guns because you can't have them, and have therefore been taught that guns are bad. This is OUR culture and OUR way of life, not yours. You'd have a whole lot more problems here than you do now if you try to take that away from us.

Yes, I'm "Proud to be and American!" Anything wrong with that?

[stephen10101]

If someone breaks into my house - which is illegal (breaking and entering) - and attacks me - which is illegal (assault) - and tries to kill me - which is illegal (attempted murder) - then God **** it, I want to be able to protect myself - which is legal (self defense). A firearm is my best option.

The truth of the matter is, if guns were illegal it wouldn't mean that criminals couldn't have them by some means. Marijuana is illegal, yet people smoke it. Making something illegal does not remove it from any equation.

Ok good point, but when you say 'and attacks me'.. you mean shoot you right? Perhaps your not fast enough and he kills you first, gr8 nows hes got two guns, another for his collection/underage son.

Whats more, is he shoots you.. and then makes it look like suicide? Angle the shot correctly, puts the gun in your hand, whats to stop him if he covers his tracks?

Ok so the same could be said if the resident had no gun but the assailant did illegally, your pretty buggered in that situation. But if guns were so hard to lay hands on, the chances of that happening are so so so much more slimmer than if we all had access to a gun, no?

I agree with you on that, if guns are made illegal and made extremely hard to come by, there will be A LOT less massacres with guns, and the high ranked cops would still have them, so that gives the police more power of the criminals we are all worried about.

Pertaining to the second ammendment, my world history teacher told us that the right to bare arms wasnt even intended to have anything to do with guns, it was so all classes of people could have a sword at thier side.(Also, she is an honors teacher, so I'm pretty sure she knows what she is talking about for those of you that disagree with that.)

[Sgt.Peppers]

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one?

Do you honestly believe that guns will just "disappear" of the face of the Earth if we banned them? No. If guns were illegal then the people that do illegal things would be the only ones who owned them. You wouldn't want that would you?

[bricksarefun]

Pertaining to the second ammendment, my world history teacher told us that the right to bare arms wasnt even intended to have anything to do with guns, it was so all classes of people could have a sword at thier side.(Also, she is an honors teacher, so I'm pretty sure she knows what she is talking about for those of you that disagree with that.)

Umm well I have decided to carry a sword everywhere I go and i'm going to get a group of people to massacre people with swords. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, almost no one used swords after guns were invented, and just because she is an honors teacher doesn't make her smarter than any other person.

[Tural]

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one? First off they'd have to know someone/be that someone. 2nd, police are going to know about illegal **** being shipped in and so some kind of check would be set up, especially if the rise of gun crime was so high. So perhaps they could make the gun? No of course they *** couldnt. Unless of course we get the scenario of some metalwork guru gone bad..

I can't even begin to understand your logic. I'll be more clear.

There
Is
A
Massive
Amount
Of
Guns
In
The
United
States
Of
America

My whole point was that you could never get rids of the guns already here, please re-read my post. It would be impossible to remove them all, or even a significant amount.

Do you understand now?

[stephen10101]

Seriously, almost no one used swords after guns were invented, and just because she is an honors teacher doesn't make her smarter than any other person.

Yes, but the upper class were the only ones allowed to carry swords with them and America wanted to change that.

I know that she isn't smarter than any other person, but I just had to put that out there so some people wouldn't be like "Oh your teacher is wrong and stupid!" because that is annoying.

[Geo]

Also, Prey... are you retarded... we don't have the CIA here.

Thank you i meant the BIA, also thank you for feeling the need to insult me because of my 1 letter mistake.

What the hell is the BIA?!

[bricksarefun]

Also, Prey... are you retarded... we don't have the CIA here.

Thank you i meant the BIA, also thank you for feeling the need to insult me because of my 1 letter mistake.

What the hell is the BIA?!

The Bureau of Instigation Administration

[Geo]

Prey, stop talking. You're making me embarrassed.

I'm guessing you thought our equivalent of the Central Intelligence Agency is the British Intelligence Agency, which does not exist. Google told me it's the Bureau of Indian Affairs... which also, no. Just no.

Stop.

[GametagAeonFlux]

This topic is lame, I on the other hand am awesome.

Get back on topic and try to be civil, k? Last chance.

[Prey]

Well Prey, it sure sounds like somebody's been listening to the Anti US/Anti gun propaganda in the British Media a little too much... you really have no clue what you're talking about.

I'm okay with your side of the argument, but I'm not okay with you just spouting of random words to try to prove a point. The fact is that you don't like guns because you can't have them, and have therefore been taught that guns are bad. This is OUR culture and OUR way of life, not yours. You'd have a whole lot more problems here than you do now if you try to take that away from us.

Yes, I'm "Proud to be and American!" Anything wrong with that?

*sigh* just forget it. Youve completely missed the point of what ive said and instead interpretated it to suit your own needs.

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one?

Do you honestly believe that guns will just "disappear" of the face of the Earth if we banned them? No. If guns were illegal then the people that do illegal things would be the only ones who owned them. You wouldn't want that would you?

Thank you 'Sgt.Peppers', perhaps you should read the post that sentence came from again.

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one? First off they'd have to know someone/be that someone. 2nd, police are going to know about illegal **** being shipped in and so some kind of check would be set up, especially if the rise of gun crime was so high. So perhaps they could make the gun? No of course they *** couldnt. Unless of course we get the scenario of some metalwork guru gone bad..

I can't even begin to understand your logic. I'll be more clear.

There
Is
A
Massive
Amount
Of
Guns
In
The
United
States
Of
America

My whole point was that you could never get rids of the guns already here, please re-read my post. It would be impossible to remove them all, or even a significant amount.

Do you understand now?

Maybe i already did?

Of course america is huge, population is huge, gun carrying population is just as huge - It wouldnt be practical to outlaw guns now, in fact it would probably just create more violence

Prey, stop talking. You're making me embarrassed.

I'm guessing you thought our equivalent of the Central Intelligence Agency is the British Intelligence Agency, which does not exist. Google told me it's the Bureau of Indian Affairs... which also, no. Just no.

Stop.

Wow Phail.

[Tural]

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one? First off they'd have to know someone/be that someone. 2nd, police are going to know about illegal **** being shipped in and so some kind of check would be set up, especially if the rise of gun crime was so high. So perhaps they could make the gun? No of course they *** couldnt. Unless of course we get the scenario of some metalwork guru gone bad..

Maybe i already did?

Of course america is huge, population is huge, gun carrying population is just as huge - It wouldnt be practical to outlaw guns now, in fact it would probably just create more violence

These posts are contradictory. You based the first quoted statement off of a false scenario and used it to argue your case. There is no logic there. You made up a situation to make it look like I was wrong.

[Prey]

Ok Tural, so say there were no guns anywhere in america, how the *** would they get at one? First off they'd have to know someone/be that someone. 2nd, police are going to know about illegal **** being shipped in and so some kind of check would be set up, especially if the rise of gun crime was so high. So perhaps they could make the gun? No of course they *** couldnt. Unless of course we get the scenario of some metalwork guru gone bad..

Maybe i already did?

Of course america is huge, population is huge, gun carrying population is just as huge - It wouldnt be practical to outlaw guns now, in fact it would probably just create more violence

These posts are contradictory. You based the first quoted statement off of a false scenario and used it to argue your case. There is no logic there. You made up a situation to make it look like I was wrong.

Infact you began the scenario and i played along, unless of course you were saying that they would find another way of committing murder if their were no guns at all. In that case yes your probably right, but i believe i also touched on that subject

..perhaps he will use a knife instead.. but what you would you rather be against? An automatic weapon capable of shredding you to pieces in seconds, or a kitchen knife?