Saddam Hussein is dead.

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:56 pm

Watched the news up to when it happened last night. Pretty cool, except I think the good old guillotine would've been better ;P

Trulife8342 wrote:Im against the death penalty, No one has the right to play God........

Remember that in the old days they use to "check out" people left and right.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:13 pm

ScottyGEE wrote:I'm not arguing against what he's done iGeo, and I'm not saying no crime should go unpunished, it always just sounds wierd: you killed someone so we're just allowed to kill you know.
As for the crimes, I know what he was convicted for, however I don't know the full extent of everything he's done.

But, thankfully for you and me, I must go now, so I can't have a large post to sound like I know what I'm talking about

You're doing exactly what I said, referring to him as a murderer... he commited genocide among other things... I've already stated that I don't agree with capital punishment; but this is definatley an exception.

Dan!! · Post by **Dan!!** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:40 pm

iGeo wrote:
ScottyGEE wrote:I'm not arguing against what he's done iGeo, and I'm not saying no crime should go unpunished, it always just sounds wierd: you killed someone so we're just allowed to kill you know.
As for the crimes, I know what he was convicted for, however I don't know the full extent of everything he's done.

But, thankfully for you and me, I must go now, so I can't have a large post to sound like I know what I'm talking about
You're doing exactly what I said, referring to him as a murderer.

Which he is. Genocide or not, it's the principle. What gives anyone the right to kill another person? Executing a murderer is wrong, but executing someone who committed a genocide is okay? How many people does it take to make a genocide? At most 8,000 people died in Halabja. At least 8,300 civilians were killed in US air strikes within the first two years.

Murderers are murderers. There should be no distinction. Murder, Genocide, and execution are all the same thing. I don't think any one of them justifies another.

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:48 pm

I think people should be killed for whatever crime they do that way we will have less crime.

Dan!! · Post by **Dan!!** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:49 pm

Xero wrote:I think people should be killed for whatever crime they do that way we will have less crime.

Who said you could talk? Kill him!

trepdimeflou · Post by **trepdimeflou** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:15 pm

I think that castration and life in prison would have been a much better choice than hanging.

Veegie[Temp] · Post by **Veegie[Temp]** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:27 pm

I think anything involving the achilles tendon is enough punishment.
*cringe*

StalkingGrunt911 · Post by **StalkingGrunt911** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:42 pm

trepdimeflou wrote:I think that castration and life in prison would have been a much better choice than hanging.

=x I don't think any guy would want to even live after that, he would probably just hang himself after that.

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:57 pm

Veegie wrote:I think anything involving the achilles tendon is enough punishment.
*cringe*

*eek* Agrees.

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:02 pm

Dan!! wrote:
iGeo wrote:
ScottyGEE wrote:I'm not arguing against what he's done iGeo, and I'm not saying no crime should go unpunished, it always just sounds wierd: you killed someone so we're just allowed to kill you know.
As for the crimes, I know what he was convicted for, however I don't know the full extent of everything he's done.

But, thankfully for you and me, I must go now, so I can't have a large post to sound like I know what I'm talking about
You're doing exactly what I said, referring to him as a murderer.
Which he is. Genocide or not, it's the principle. What gives anyone the right to kill another person? Executing a murderer is wrong, but executing someone who committed a genocide is okay? How many people does it take to make a genocide? At most 8,000 people died in Halabja. At least 8,300 civilians were killed in US air strikes within the first two years.

Murderers are murderers. There should be no distinction. Murder, Genocide, and execution are all the same thing. I don't think any one of them justifies another.

Ok, I personally believe in the death penalty and I don't think it is used enough, however logically speaking killing him would prevent more killings. Think about it. His followers are extremists as long as he lives they will try to set him free, it would only be a matter of time. And if that man is free and in power (in this case of his extremists followers) then more people will die.

While I do not agree that it is bad to kill someone for killing, some of u do. A common argument is it won't bring the victim back. However it can be argued that in this particular case killing him would prevent the death of others.

As for my personal belief, anyone that commits murder against an innocent person does not deserve the right to life.

Killing is killing, and murder is murder. They are not the same thing. Of coarse many people where killed in the Iraqi war, but they were not tortured and murdered in cold blood.

Saddam tortured and murdered the Shiites, and he gassed the Curds (death by poison gas is never fun)

Well done rambling, btw I saw the CNN coverage of the execution a little while ago, it didn't show him hang, but it did show right up to that second... it was beautiful!

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:24 pm

Um...What was your point now? The numerous grammatical and spelling errors sure screwed up whatever point you were trying to make.

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:41 pm

G.I.R. wrote:Um...What was your point now? The numerous grammatical and spelling errors sure screwed up whatever point you were trying to make.

My point was that there is no logical justification in letting him live. Even if your are against the death penalty as punishment. I was basicaly saying that ending his life would prevent people in the future from being killed. Then i threw in my personal opinion.

btw i proof-read read and fixed my other post a little bit

auerhantheman1 · Post by **auerhantheman1** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:51 pm

Dan!! wrote:At most 8,000 people died in Halabja.

5,000, I think. My mom used to work with someone who used to live there. They were out of town when it was gassed. You can expect that they're pretty happy today

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:31 pm

Apparently people didn't get it the first time.

There will be no discussion of the video or images tolerated at all.

Dan!! · Post by **Dan!!** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:11 pm

snakejknight wrote:Ok, I personally believe in the death penalty and I don't think it is used enough, however logically speaking killing him would prevent more killings. Think about it. His followers are extremists as long as he lives they will try to set him free, it would only be a matter of time.

As far as I know there have been no escape attempts or prison break situations. Also, his "followers" are few and not extremists. Saddam had practically no links to Al-Qaeda and frankly was fairly secular for a middle eastern leader. Saddam was a power hungry monster, but he wasn't an extremist of any doctrine.

And if that man is free and in power (in this case of his extremists followers) then more people will die.
While I do not agree that it is bad to kill someone for killing, some of u do. A common argument is it won't bring the victim back. However it can be argued that in this particular case killing him would prevent the death of others.

I guarantee that executing Saddam will not end the conflict between the Sunnis and Shi'ites. It's not like the Shi'ites will see Saddam's death and think "Oh, it's over. The person at the top is dead. Let's all stop fighting."

As for my personal belief, anyone that commits murder against an innocent person does not deserve the right to life.

And I disagree with that. There's not much more to that.

Of coarse many people where killed in the Iraqi war, but they were not tortured and murdered in cold blood.

I lol'd.

Oh and the numbers for Halabja are from "several hundred" to 7,800 or so.

Locke · Post by **Locke** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:59 pm

snakejknight wrote:logically speaking killing him would prevent more killings.

CNN wrote:Car bombs and a suicide bomber left at least 75 people dead and more than 100 wounded Saturday, the day former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was executed for crimes committed during his rule.

So far, so good. Snake, your logic(and others logic) never fails!

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:42 pm

As far as I know there have been no escape attempts or prison break situations. Also, his "followers" are few and not extremists. Saddam had practically no links to Al-Qaeda and frankly was fairly secular for a middle eastern leader. Saddam was a power hungry monster, but he wasn't an extremist of any doctrine.

You

Locke · Post by **Locke** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:13 am

[quote="snakejknight"] But the

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:31 am

Ok, but thats hind site. If there was any chance that he did have them we definatly should have gone in there to get them. The man was insane and u don't put an insane man in charge of nukes or any other WMD's

It turned out that there were none, and i'm not nieve enough to think that the government made a mistake. But i am not suspiciouse enough to think that it was intentional. So i'm on the fence with that one.

Good things could come out of this war, i'm not happy to say that not many have, but at least we got rid of Suddam.

Weather or not we have a right to force democracy on people is a question of ethics. by that i mean some cultures feel it is the responsibility of a more fortunate person to help the less fortunate, even if they don't want it. other people believe that its not our responsibility and to hell with them if they don't want to be helped. neither belief is bad, i just happen to believe that it is our responsibility.

The middle east is a very unpleasn't place. terror attacks are common place and people do live in fear. People will never agree on the war. I believe we are in the right place, handling things the wrong way. That is the only reason i havn't joined the military.

As far as the number of car bombs after saddams death... it actualy could be coincidence, not in all cases, but i seriously doubt that they all had revenge for his death in mind. I still do believe that he deserved much more than he got, and i wish i could have givin it to him

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:32 am

Dan!! wrote:What gives anyone the right to kill another person?

It's not someone simply killing another person, it's society, not one person. The jury represent society, and their decision is final. Saddam was rightly killed, murder for murder isn't right, but murder for murder x100000? Sounds fair to me.