Oh, Microsoft!

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:52 pm

I'm using a PC on my floor and a keyboard propped up on two cardboard boxes of different height.

...why would you do that?

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:08 pm

NSN711 wrote:
I'm using a PC on my floor and a keyboard propped up on two cardboard boxes of different height.
...why would you do that?

My computer desk gave out and I never got around to fixing it. This is just the PC in my room, there's still a family PC I can use.

xbox7887 · Post by **xbox7887** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:18 am

Another reason why Apple doesn't have a large number of viruses. The fact is most die-hard hackers would rather deal with simple x86 assembly than a more obfuscated, lower-level, RISC-based one such as powerpc...

x86 (PC) Architecture...

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.text:00077C50 loc_77C50:                              ; CODE XREF: sub_779F0+253j
.text:00077C50                                         ; sub_779F0+298j
.text:00077C50                 cmp     dword ptr [eax-484h], 7
.text:00077C57                 mov     [eax-4], esi
.text:00077C5A                 movss   dword ptr [eax], xmm0
.text:00077C5E                 mov     [eax+4], esi
.text:00077C61                 jnz     short loc_77C7F
.text:00077C63                 mov     ecx, [eax-478h]
.text:00077C69                 cmp     ecx, esi
.text:00077C6B                 jz      short loc_77C7F
.text:00077C6D                 imul    ecx, 0F8h
.text:00077C73                 cmp     dword ptr [ecx+ebp+3Ch], 0
.text:00077C78                 jz      short loc_77C7F
.text:00077C7A                 mov     [esp+ebx*4+50h+var_3C], edx
.text:00077C7E                 inc     ebx
.text:00077C7F
.text:00077C7F loc_77C7F:                              ; CODE XREF: sub_779F0+271j
.text:00077C7F                                         ; sub_779F0+27Bj ...
.text:00077C7F                 inc     edx
.text:00077C80                 add     eax, 528h
.text:00077C85                 cmp     edx, 0Fh
.text:00077C88                 jl      short loc_77C50
.text:00077C8A                 test    ebx, ebx
.text:00077C8C                 mov     [esp+50h+var_40], ebx
.text:00077C90                 jle     loc_77E47
.text:00077C96                 mov     al, [edi+4E00h]
.text:00077C9C                 test    al, al
.text:00077C9E                 mov     [edi+4F1Ch], ebx
.text:00077CA4                 jz      loc_77E2A
.text:00077CAA                 mov     eax, [edi+4E28h]
.text:00077CB0                 shl     eax, 0Ah
.text:00077CB3                 cdq
.text:00077CB4                 idiv    ebx
.text:00077CB6                 movss   xmm6, ds:dword_45DCFC
.text:00077CBE                 movss   xmm7, ds:dword_45E0D8
.text:00077CC6                 mov     [edi+4F20h], eax
.text:00077CCC                 movsx   ecx, word_485AC0
.text:00077CD3                 test    ecx, ecx
.text:00077CD5                 jle     short loc_77CDF
.text:00077CD7                 cmp     ecx, 32h ; '2'
.text:00077CDA                 movaps  xmm2, xmm7
.text:00077CDD                 jz      short loc_77CE2

PowerPC (Mac) Architecture...

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__text:001BFBD8 loc_1BFBD8:                             # CODE XREF: __text:001BFD5Cj
__text:001BFBD8                 lwz     %rtoc, 0x64(%r31)
__text:001BFBDC                 add.    %r30, %r22, %rtoc
__text:001BFBE0                 beq     loc_1BFD50
__text:001BFBE4                 lbzx    %r0, %r22, %rtoc
__text:001BFBE8                 cmpwi   cr7, %r0, 0
__text:001BFBEC                 beq     cr7, loc_1BFD50
__text:001BFBF0                 lha     %r4, 0x20(%r30)
__text:001BFBF4                 mr      %r3, %r26
__text:001BFBF8                 bl      sub_1D97E0
__text:001BFBFC                 addi    %r4, %sp, 0x7C
__text:001BFC00                 li      %r5, 0x40
__text:001BFC04                 mr      %r19, %r3
__text:001BFC08                 mr      %r3, %r30
__text:001BFC0C                 bl      sub_2D4170
__text:001BFC10                 mr      %r23, %r3
__text:001BFC14                 beq     cr3, loc_1BFD4C
__text:001BFC18                 bl      sub_2D4030
__text:001BFC1C                 mr      %r25, %r3
__text:001BFC20                 mr      %r3, %r19
__text:001BFC24                 bl      sub_2D4030
__text:001BFC28                 mr      %r27, %r3
__text:001BFC2C                 mr      %r3, %r21
__text:001BFC30                 bl      sub_2D4030
__text:001BFC34                 cmpw    cr7, %r25, %r27
__text:001BFC38                 addi    %r29, %r3, 1
__text:001BFC3C                 blt     cr7, loc_1BFCA0
__text:001BFC40                 subf    %r20, %r27, %r25
__text:001BFC44                 slwi    %r28, %r27, 1
__text:001BFC48                 slwi    %r25, %r25, 1
__text:001BFC4C                 cmpwi   cr4, %r20, 0
__text:001BFC50                 b       loc_1BFC80

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:55 am

Macs are far more secure than Windows based PC's and I know this for a fact.

xbox7887 · Post by **xbox7887** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:28 pm

Yes, because nobody bothers writing exploits for them

Vue · Post by **Vue** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:48 pm

Tech support for exchange server cost $249. They should not charge for something that should already be working.

Windows is ugly

Besides, if a mac can load windows, then why would you not want a mac? It's like saying "I want a PS3, but if it comes with a WII, then I don't want it."

Windows gets viruses

Setup requires technical skills.

Bad tech support

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:55 pm

Why not get a mac? If you're not into serious gaming, maybe that'd be a reasonable question, but you'd also have to consider the fact that macs are generally a little bit more expensive. Many companies do not need the power that macs have... Most just need computers for word processing, etc.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:59 pm

Kirk, what is this power you speak of? It must be software based, because from what I have seen Apple just charges more for the same type of hardware.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:27 pm

Vue wrote:Tech support for exchange server cost $249. They should not charge for something that should already be working.

Windows is ugly

Besides, if a mac can load windows, then why would you not want a mac? It's like saying "I want a PS3, but if it comes with a WII, then I don't want it."

Windows gets viruses

Setup requires technical skills.

Bad tech support

- Mkay.
- Opinion, not fact. Present the statement as such.
- There are countless reasons why that question is one of the most flawed in this thread.
- So can Macs. Not to mention we've discussed this. It's not like Windows just comes with a shit load of viruses, very few people even get viruses, and those who do generally deserve them due to their own incompetence and misunderstanding.
- So? If you have the skills, why does it matter?
- This has been addressed over and over.

Also, people. This is not a Mac vs. PC thread (Don't create one), this is a "Why do you dislike Microsoft?" thread. Stop comparing PCs to Macs!

If this keeps going as a Mac vs. PC thread, I'm locking it.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:44 pm

Well you might as well lock it, seeing as nobody here really has a valid reason for hating Microsoft, or "M$" yet they continue using their products. Hipocrites I say.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:25 pm

Here we go, I noticed this thread now.
Advantages of Microsoft:
1. Wide product base, leads to
2. More software
2a. More games. While my reason for getting a new computer (see sig if you haven't noticed already) isn't games (outdated hardware, if you must know), the gaming scene is a lot better and more fun for Windows. I mean, come on...BF 2142 freaking owns.

Why I dislike Microsoft:
1. IE integrated into the OS. I don't know if it's still like that in XP (haven't tried), but in Win98 and such, Internet Explorer was integrated into the OS and you could NOT remove it without damaging the OS. Anti-competitive much?
2. Try to make me feel stupider than I am. For example, in Windows Vista (RC1), the little security boxes that pop up are ANNOYING. Yes, I know that changing my user accounts might be dangerous, Microsoft, but when I'm fiddling in my Control Panel, have what OS X (technically, UNIX in general) does. When you do anything that needs authentication from the Superuser or Root level, that authentication STAYS for five minutes. Much better than totally graying out my screen and bringing up a dialog box every three seconds.
3. Aesthetics and consistency in the OS level. Yes, I know Apple is guilty of this as well, but I'm not saying they're not. Consistency bugs me. When my OS is blue and green with shiny highlights, the browser (IE 7) is a light blue, and the media player (WMP 11) is a dark black, I have NO idea where the GUI is going. Call me crazy, but I like consistent themes. >_<

And that's done. If anyone wants to actually have a serious, decent discussion about Apple vs. Microsoft, we need to get on #halomods or #hmc IRC. :O

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:35 pm

You used Vista RC 1, it has since changed. Don't complain about an unfinished product.

Also, you complain about WMP11 and IE, yet they're seperate software packages. That's like saying every program ever made must fit the windows GUI... I don't see that working.

And if you had a proper RTM version of Vista, WMP11 and IE7 blend perfectly into the GUI.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:46 pm

iGeo wrote:You used Vista RC 1, it has since changed. Don't complain about an unfinished product.

Also, you complain about WMP11 and IE, yet they're seperate software packages. That's like saying every program ever made must fit the windows GUI... I don't see that working.

And if you had a proper RTM version of Vista, WMP11 and IE7 blend perfectly into the GUI.

I'm not saying it was a finished product, I'm saying it was RC1 for that precise reason, that it isn't finished. However, I'm quite sure that that feature hasn't changed.

IE and WMP should blend in to the OS. They're made by Microsoft, and they should have a level of consistency with themselves. It's kinda like the preview of OS X Leopard; it's all messed up. Time Machine has a black UI, the iPrograms are gray gradientized, and the Finder is metal. Nobody has any clue what anything is anywhere. XD

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:46 pm

Yeah I kinda agree with Shadow...
Although WMP is customisable.

And from what I've heard the greying out of the screen for dialogue boxes still pops up but I'm pretty sure they said it learns and starts to stop...

Vue · Post by **Vue** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:13 pm

Windows is SO ugly. Maybe you should change the topic to Macs vs Windows.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:20 pm

Tural wrote:This is not a Mac vs. PC thread (Don't create one), this is a "Why do you dislike Microsoft?" thread. Stop comparing PCs to Macs!

If this keeps going as a Mac vs. PC thread, I'm locking it.

I don't see how windows is guly anyway...And at least you can customise it the way you want. Bah...This is hardly the topic I intended (well with some people anyway)

Probably have to lock this soon Tural (not yet, give it just another day to try and float back on topic)
Which is why you dislike MICROSOFT not "give me your reasons as to why windows looks bad"
As I've said previously (or thought I had) people claim they don't want a zune because its "M$" or a 360 coz its "M$" WHY!?!?!?! (If only I had an interrobang on my keyboard)

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:21 pm

No. This is about one thing. If it was Macs vs. Windows, then people would flame each other personally. I guarantee it.

galvination · Post by **galvination** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:44 pm

The only concern I have with microsoft is the need to update constantly, and the numerous errors in the system. say I install a video card on a windows XP OS... I ut it in manually and boot it up with the installation disk, now instead of using the drivers pre-installed microsoft XP like to play the "hey lets check the internet for drivers made by us that will crash teh comp lol!" so I get the wrong drivers and spend an hour and a half with a techy who has about as much experiance in communicating as a whale trying to solve complex algorithms. So I end up re-installing drivers with the Proper Nvidia ones and realize I could've jsut put the Nvidia disk back in and Re-installed.

Having this problem and "non-compatibility" issues sometimes pisses me off. But I managed to get it working and I'mm unsure if I'd have the same issue on a Mac. Otherwise Microsoft is just fine, and with the right anti-virus program it's quite secure despite what people may think. Lay off teh Pr0n and it'll probably be virus-free.

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:51 pm

Everything needs to update, including Macs.

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:22 pm

vue...

- Opinion, not fact. Present the statement as such.

Seriously, grow up and LOOK at the NAME of the thread.
although it mainly seems like the MAC people are the ones who are flaming and "throwing poo" at PC's..
Macs not MACs