Oh, Microsoft!

Macsforever · Post by **Macsforever** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:50 pm

Nortan crashed every time i loaded it and my Internet CRUD-explorer was infected as well.

x088x · Post by **x088x** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:51 pm

NSN711 wrote:Mac User: Macs are a lot easier to use and they have so much features!

Windows User: You're to lazy to get off you're arse and learn how to do something.

Wow.. this is the most idiotic argument I've seen yet. Have you ever considered the fact that some people dislike the Mac interface? Or maybe it's the fact that you cannot run regular computer games on there, and have to find a game that has a Mac version.

Also, you don't just randomly get viruses, people, they are from certain websites YOU visit. For example, pr0n sites.

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:58 pm

I don't own a mac, but can't you just click control and click for the same affect as a right click?

But, hardly anyone makes software for mac.

Also, graphics cards in Windows computes own hard.

Vista is da ***.

I am a strong believer that Macs and Windows both have pros and cons, it's just what you're looking for in a computer.

Macsforever · Post by **Macsforever** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:03 pm

You know what?
NSN is right...
Heck... i just like Macs because they LOOK better than windows.
The only thing i hate about Windows and Microsoft computers is that they look like picses of SHIT!!!

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:07 pm

Veegie wrote:To be honest, the only people that get viruses are generally idiots that are deserving of them.

This man speaks the truth.

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:07 pm

Well, as times gone on these so-called "Microsoft" computers have strayed from the gray box.

http://alienware.com/

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:13 pm

Alienware computers are pieces of shit.

I don't stare at my computer, so I could care less what it looks like...for the half a second I see it, it looks good enough to me. It's not like I'm trying to show off my computer to someone, and it's under my desk, so it's not really too noticeable.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:17 pm

I can't think of a time when anyone was ever stunned by the beauty of a Mac.

kornkidcrazy · Post by **kornkidcrazy** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:23 pm

I like Microsoft, but I do not their rediculous prices for software some of their business ideas. But I do like them.

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:08 pm

I agree with Veegie, the only people who get viruses are idiots. I love my computer and have never had any problems with it. I've gotten a faulty motherboard before, but fixed it instantly. I also disagree with the whole Macs are better for Graphic Design. I prefer graphic programs on PCs because I find them much easier to navigate. PCs are much better for games too, Macs usually get the good games about 5 years after they come out.

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:28 pm

GametagAeonFlux wrote:
DWells55 wrote:-Of course more people don't have problems. If a company had a 50% problem rate, they wouldn't survive. It doesn't mean their support isn't awful.
-7 Xbox 1's and 6 Xbox 360's later, you lose faith in product reliability. Also, I've had Windows inexplicably bog down and get sluggish for no reason and virus and spyware scans indicated a clean system - wound up needing a reformat.
-There's always flaws being discovered in Windows, constantly. Linux is open source and it's far more secure than Windows is.
-Apple has innovated with features and a great GUI that Windows lacks. Almost all of Vista's new features are direct ripoffs of existing OS X features.
-It can show over to the fact that they are more concerned with making money than keeping satisfied customers.
-Um...I've never even had to call support, and over the course of 16 years, we've had atleast 9/10 PCs all running XP and never had a virus.

-How can your Xbox break? Did you solder something wrong, or did a cable break or something? I've never even heard of an Xbox having errors other than by someone doing physical damage to the thing by themself...in short, if it breaks, it's your fault. I'll admit the 360 has had some widespread problems, but even the PS3 and Wii have them too...360 has just had more time for people to complain about them, and there's much more pros than cons. I've had 2 360s since launch day and neither has had a problem.

Also, reformatting is a healthy thing to do for your hard drive, and recommended to do every once in a while...it's not like you can't put stuff you want to save on another hard drive and transfer it back over. If it bogs down, you may have too many programs running, just get more RAM, or uninstall/delete/end some unnecessary processes.

-Linux also has far less programs...once again, if you're not an idiot, you won't run into problems with security vulnerabilities and such.

-Apple has a fancy GUI...like Windows isn't skinnable? So what if Vista's features copy off of OSX...the very first Windows had stolen/copied code from other operating systems if I remember correctly. In my opinion, Vista's GUI looks great, and I've never had a problem with it slowing down my PC/being a memory hog like everyone else complains about.

-Wait...a company wants to make money? Oh ***. Welcome to the business world, it's called competing with the other companies.

-Xbox support is god-awful. The large majorities of the calls I've had are with idiots who don't know what the hell they're talking about. It took me 3 separate phone calls and having to demand a supervisor before i could fix an issue with my downloaded content. However, when the supervisor called back 2 days later, he knew exactly what he was doing and it was a very easy experience. Regarding viruses, yeah, I haven't had an issue either (with the exception of a MBR virus I got off a friend's bootable floppy). But here's a very virus prone OS, and no official anti-virus support? Bit negligent.

-When all of my original Xbox's broke, they were 100% stock and never opened. I had FRAGs, coma boxes, DREs, and freezing issues. Microsoft support kept sending me back crappy replacements. How wonderful. The 7th Xbox failed while it was stock - at this point I was out of warranty and with no faith in Microsoft. I really was not pleased to discover the replacement Xbox I got in '04 was an '01 model, with a crappy Thomson and the old kernel - meaning I couldn't diagnose the problem (no error code). I fixed it myself with a fan volt mod and some heavy cleaning and it's been fine (well, not counting the NIC failing when my house got hit by lightning). Funny how my repair worked better than Microsoft's 6 attempts. As for the 360's, it's just been defect after defect. I've had disc drive failures, 3 red lights, GPU artifacts, a blown memory chip, and a freezing box. The current one seems to be fine. Good friend of mine just had his die on him and based on the error codes it's giving out, it's due to poor soldering by Microsoft.

Reformatting is a pain because you still have to deal with drivers and you lose what was in your registry (backing up the whole registry and replacing the new one usually doesn't work). Not to mention the tons of updates to download.

-Linux has WINE, which allows it to run a large portion of Win32 compiled apps. Plus it has support for *nix apps. Pretty much everything you'd need is available on Linux. The only thing holding me back from using it or OS X as a primary OS is gaming. Just because you haven't had security issues doesn't mean they're not there. Countless security flaws are always being found in Windows. Ask any Linux user what they'd rather run a server on or trust to be secure.

-So I should have to rely on a third party that has to hack my operating system and circumvent security (which they did easily by hacking uxtheme.dll) in order to have an attractive and functional user interface? SO because the company hasn't made an excellent UI, it's okay because some modders did, as opposed to an OS that ships with a great GUI standard? Also, how have you not had problems with Vista unless you pirated it already? Regardless, the RTM release (ready-to-manufacture) of Vista is reported at averaging 400MBs of RAM while idle. That's ridiculous.

-Yeah, companies want to make money, but some seem to concern themselves with their customers more than Microsoft. MS is huge and the large majority of people are going to stick with them through thick and thin and they know it. As a result, you wind up with them exploiting that and offering sub-par support.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:53 pm

*sigh*

-What support isn't God-awful? They're including anti-virus support in Vista, and my PC came pre-installed with Norton...most people I know have it or some form of anti-virus as well.

-I've never heard of anyone else having problems with their Xbox...stinx2bu. Also, you have to understand that living on the bleeding edge of technology, you're going to encounter problems. As I've said before, Sony's PS3 has had just as many problems...people have posted videos of the PS3 not even taking a disc.

-That's true, Linux servers are definitely better than Windows', no argument there. So it runs the servers, Windows plays the games, simple as that. What apps does Linux have that really make you want it? I've never seen a Linux exclusive application that has made me contemplate using it.

-rofl, inform yourself kid. Vista betas have been out for a looooong time buddy. As for your GUI...I don't know about you, but I think the XP MCE and Vista themes are functional and great looking...and Vista has plenty of options you can change if you don't like it. It's not really that big of a deal to "hack" the themes...if you're not stupid, nothing bad will happen, and you get a nice looking theme. Plus, custom themes by users allow for you to make the theme look however good you want, and allow for a unique look and feel to your PC.

Vista averaging 400mb of RAM when idle...so get more RAM. 1gb of RAM is <$100 if you shop around. Operating systems are improving, so must your computer, this is nothing new. Plus, there's no one forcing you to get Vista right now, upgrade when you want.

-ONOES A COMPANEE PHAILS AT SUPPORT. Wait, so does every company. Even if it takes a few updates, they usually will patch problems pretty fast.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:01 pm

DWells, apparently where ever you live gets 100% of the broken hardware, right? I have never heard of anyone having as many problems as you listed off. I fail to believe that it's pure chance that everything from Microsoft that you get breaks, nor do I believe it's the company's fault, because you're very much in the minority of consumers.

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:05 pm

GametagAeonFlux wrote:*sigh*

-What support isn't God-awful? They're including anti-virus support in Vista, and my PC came pre-installed with Norton...most people I know have it or some form of anti-virus as well.

-I've never heard of anyone else having problems with their Xbox...stinx2bu. Also, you have to understand that living on the bleeding edge of technology, you're going to encounter problems. As I've said before, Sony's PS3 has had just as many problems...people have posted videos of the PS3 not even taking a disc.

-That's true, Linux servers are definitely better than Windows', no argument there. So it runs the servers, Windows plays the games, simple as that. What apps does Linux have that really make you want it? I've never seen a Linux exclusive application that has made me contemplate using it.

-rofl, inform yourself kid. Vista betas have been out for a looooong time buddy. As for your GUI...I don't know about you, but I think the XP MCE and Vista themes are functional and great looking...and Vista has plenty of options you can change if you don't like it. It's not really that big of a deal to "hack" the themes...if you're not stupid, nothing bad will happen, and you get a nice looking theme. Plus, custom themes by users allow for you to make the theme look however good you want, and allow for a unique look and feel to your PC.

Vista averaging 400mb of RAM when idle...so get more RAM. 1gb of RAM is <$100 if you shop around. Operating systems are improving, so must your computer, this is nothing new. Plus, there's no one forcing you to get Vista right now, upgrade when you want.

-ONOES A COMPANEE PHAILS AT SUPPORT. Wait, so does every company. Even if it takes a few updates, they usually will patch problems pretty fast.

-Nintendo support has been good to me in the past in the NES days and with replacing my DS Lite hinge crack. I've dealt with support on other companies before without issues.

-You're right, no one else has problems with the Xbox. That's why people haven't paid me to repair there's and there isn't a dedicated repair forum on Xbox-Scene.... oh, wait... Also note I never said anything about the PS3, and we'll see in the long-run if they're as bad as the 360 and more importantly how Sony deals with it.

-It's not the apps that make Linux great, it's the security, stability, and ability to customize it to be lightweight and extremely efficient.

-First of all, I'm older than you, don't say "kid" condescendingly - it makes you look unintelligent. Judging memory usage and such off an unfinished piece of software that lacks features and such is extremely foolish. Whether or not installing custom themes is easy, it's not officially supported and it doesn't excuse not having an intuitive UI to start with.

So first you say it doesn't have RAM problems, but when confronted with the fact it does whore RAM, you say "go buy more." Nice. There's no reason for that much RAM usage, it's excessive. As for not being forced to use Vista, Microsoft is sure trying for forcing you to have it for Halo 2 (a game that ran fine on a DX8.1 system with a 733MHz Celly). And then they force you to use Vista if you want to use DirectX 10.

-As I said earlier, I've seen superior support from other companies, and patching security flaws doesn't excuse that they were already there and left vulnerable for a certain time period.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:07 pm

So you hate Microsoft, you know there's problems: Don't buy the products or deal with the problems. You're not going to change shit by posting huge rants on a site dedicated to violating their terms of use.

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:13 pm

Never said I hated Microsoft. Just said I wasn't happy with them as a company and Windows. I do enjoy the Xbox and it's games once the thing actually works though.

So wait, you're telling me to take my complaints elsewhere, right? Yeah, that seems appropriate. God forbid I post them in a thread that asks people "Why do people dislike Microsoft? What are your/their reasons behind it?" You're right, I should have posted stuff about how much I love them in a thread that asks the exact opposite.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:18 pm

That's not what I said.

There was a point when you went from stating your reasons to ranting about the company and products.

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:21 pm

How did the "Why you hate Microsoft" Topic get so out of hand.

Oh, it was inevitable.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:25 pm

-I'd say if the hinge on a piece of hardware cracked, it's going to be a widespread problem...which in this case, it is. They're kinda obligated to replace it.

-Sony hasn't dealt with it too much. The thing required an update right outta the box. I never said no one else has problems with the Xbox, I said I've never heard about people having problems with it.

-Meh, I've never had problems with Windows stability or security, and when I wanted to customize it, it was very easy. It's efficient and not necessarily light weight, but I don't understand the need for it to be lightweight...are you trying to put it on a flash drive? Or if you mean boot time, there's plenty of ways to reduce it.

-I'm sorry for not knowing your age, this is the internet/a forum, all I have to judge your age on is how you post and act...which as demonstrated by previous posts by your lack of intelligent arguments and understanding of the English language (spell correctly please), seems much younger than it actually is.

So judging memory usage off an unfinished piece of software that is more than likely unoptimized is foolish? Then don't bring it into the argument home boy. Once again, there is a reason for that much RAM usage, it's called technology progressing. Go look back on previous technology, and you will realize how much the requirements have changed.

You aren't being forced to play Halo 2. So they force you to use Vista for DX10...you can't even play most games on OSX or Linux, so by that logic, you're being forced to use a Windows operating system. It's the same things consoles do if you want to play exclusives...you're being forced to buy an Xbox 360 if you want to play Gears of War, no one's complaining there.

-Hey, guess what? Everything requires updates. Nothing is secure, someone will find a way to crack or hack it, end of story.

DWells55 · Post by **DWells55** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:47 pm

Tural wrote:There was a point when you went from stating your reasons to ranting about the company and products.

I disagree, it's really just been point/counter-point so far.

GametagAeonFlux wrote:-I'm sorry for not knowing your age, this is the internet/a forum, all I have to judge your age on is how you post and act...which as demonstrated by previous posts by your lack of intelligent arguments and understanding of the English language (spell correctly please), seems much younger than it actually is.

-Hey, guess what? Everything requires updates. Nothing is secure, someone will find a way to crack or hack it, end of story.

-Are you kidding me? Lack of intelligent arguments and poor understanding of English? I haven't noticed any typos and Firefox2 hasn't pointed them out. If they do exist, it's either due to the fact I'm mentally exhausted from having to spend my day writing a paper or the fact that I'm using a PC on my floor and a keyboard propped up on two cardboard boxes of different height. And if you really want to rant about typing, I'd just like to point out that both of us are using the improper and taboo "two spaces after a complete stop" typing method.

My arguments have been supported the whole time, you just haven't agreed with them. I don't see any way that my posts have made me seem young and/or immature. By the way, I'm not sure if you intended it, but that sounded a lot like taking this disagreement to a personal level, and if that's that case, I'll respond by saying that was uncalled for and immature.

-Nothing is a 100% secure, but some do a better job than others.