Churches

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:50 pm

Old rant, tell me your opinions.

You know, I have been thinking, (Don't worry I don't think you will need those nuclear suits this time,) and I was wondering about how churches always ask for money, as if they are so poor they have to chew on leather and bark to survive. I recently went to a church, (recently as in half a year ago,) and to my amazement, they happened to be so damn poor that they had 2 elevators for a two story building... Isn't the whole point of church supposed to be not where you have it at but the people you have it with? So why do they need 5 million dollar churches? To what point, when they could feed starving children in Africa or something. Have churches really changed at all in the last two thousand years? From what I have seen, some may have just gotten worse. I swear when I go to some churches all I see in people's eyes are big green money signs eyeing your wallet. Why not just have church somewhere like at a park? Churches need to be stopped getting runned like a buisness and more like what they are supposed to be.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:56 pm

You don't need a multi-million dollar church to have faith, but money makes the world go round; it won't ever change, as sad as it is.

There have been many worst things though, such as Indulgences and The Crusades.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:25 pm

Well, my church gives most of it's money to charity, uses most of the rest to fund missiont trips, and uses the little they have left to fund the inner things. Man, my church has the tightest budget you'll ever see. They suck, but at least they're generous. This aside, I'm somewhat with you Ombre. I'm highly against having so many churches, and several run by greed. All we need is one, but that'll never happen Tural well put. (In a more general perspective.)

Evolved · Post by **Evolved** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Meh, people will be people.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:31 pm

SHOUTrvb wrote:I'm highly against having so many churches, and several run by greed.

Xenu will have your head!

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:49 pm

The simpsons demonstrated this act when Lisa becomes a Budhist (however you spell it) after it gets bought out by mr burns and sells it to corporate advertisements.

If something can make money it will be exploited...

DRL333 · Post by **DRL333** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:51 pm

Lol, i thought this topic was gonna be about Churches Chicken lol.

Ppl need to stop filling religous stuff into ppls heads, it's all nonsence, like Santa Clause, why should he get credit for other ppls work?!?

SpecOp44 · Post by **SpecOp44** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:19 pm

Folkluv333 wrote:Ppl need to stop filling religous stuff into ppls heads, it's all nonsence, like Santa Clause, why should he get credit for other ppls work?!?

He doesn't. It's entirely the parent's decision of whether to make their child believe in him or not. Also, It just sets them up for the ultimate disappointment of when they learn he does not exist.

Evolved · Post by **Evolved** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:26 pm

SpecOp44 wrote:
Folkluv333 wrote:Ppl need to stop filling religous stuff into ppls heads, it's all nonsence, like Santa Clause, why should he get credit for other ppls work?!?
He doesn't. It's entirely the parent's decision of whether to make their child believe in him or not. Also, It just sets them up for the ultimate disappointment of when they learn he does not exist.

Wait.... SANTA DOESN'T EXIST?!?!?!! Nooooooooooooo

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:42 pm

SpecOp, that was a very incorrect statement. I found my faith on my own. It's offensive that you would use your own personal opinion as fact.

SpecOp44 · Post by **SpecOp44** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:49 pm

It wasn't my experience. I was never brought into those lies. I just assumed It happen to most people because most of my friends learned that way, and I also seen It on T.V somewhere probably. So from my point of view, It's not that incorrect.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:54 pm

Keywords: Assumed, and T.V. Key Phrase: Point of View.

Explanation, there isn't one. Some people fall away from their faith, which some learned from ther parents, other stick to it and believe it for themselves. Just because it cannot be proven to be true, doesn't mean it's false.

SpecOp44 · Post by **SpecOp44** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:58 pm

Wait, are we still talking about Santa?

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:00 pm

Ugh, not once in your post did you mention Santa. I thought you were talking about religion in general. >_> Oh well, St. Nick died ages ago. He was the closest fatty we'll ever have to Santa.

SpecOp44 · Post by **SpecOp44** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:04 pm

Well, I did quote a post mentioning Santa..but oh well.

But I'm not going to get into that, although I don't believe in any religion, and find it's impossible to have "Gods" and "divine" figures, It's everybody's choice whether or not they believe in them.

DRL333 · Post by **DRL333** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:08 pm

Christianity is the worst religion!

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:08 pm

Yes, but think about how bad it would suck to be a Muslem. You don't choose that, do or die kind of thing. I'm comfortable with Christianity. I don't get stoned if I don't believe something. >_>

SingingBlaze · Post by **SingingBlaze** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:11 pm

SHOUTrvb wrote:Keywords: Assumed, and T.V. Key Phrase: Point of View.

Explanation, there isn't one. Some people fall away from their faith, which some learned from ther parents, other stick to it and believe it for themselves. Just because it cannot be proven to be true, doesn't mean it's false.

I'm agnostic yet I still think this is the best statement ever.

RaVNzCRoFT · Post by **RaVNzCRoFT** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:02 pm

Folkluv333 wrote:Christianity is the worst religion!

Don't even get us started on that. No religion is better than any others.

However, I will say that Christianity has some very pointless religious traditions, ie. Santa Clause, Easter bunny, etc.

Especially in children, it seems as though parents are taking away from the values of holidays. I can sure as hell tell you that kids don't like Christmas because it's the birthday of their religion's founder, it's because they get presents.

-Legendary- · Post by **-Legendary-** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:16 pm

What raven says is true in some cases about why children like christmas. But I have a neighbor who is very religous and actually does tons of things on christmas like helping and such... He doesn't get very many presents but he says that doesn't matter to him.