North Korea...

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:11 pm

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I heard they launched five or six missiles. All but one were short/medium range missiles, and they were all launched into the ocean. The last missile was long-range with possibilities of going as far as to Alaska, but it failed just seconds into the launch sequence.

There are 3 stages of Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, a stage 3 being able to reach anywhere in the world. They have developed a stage 2 capable of hitting the West Coast of the United States. I was in San Francisco for the 4th of July yesterday, and some people thought they might try to test on the US of the fourth, which of course they didn't.

An attack on North Korea be very delicate being as they have one of the largest standing armies in the world (over 1 million strong) and the largest soldier:population ratio in the world.

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:Anybody watch that show Futureweapons on the Discovery Channel? It's incredible to see some of the modern weapons that are being used around the world. And yes, it shows many U.S. weapons that are being used to shoot missiles down almost 100% of the time.

I didn't watch that but I read about the development of a real life Gauss Cannon being developed for American warship. A Gauss Cannon uses magnetic energy instead of combustion (gunpowder) to fire projectiles. The one being developed would be capable of hitting anywhere in North Korea from off the coast.

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:45 pm

Casket said:
"An attack on North Korea be very delicate being as they have one of the largest standing armies in the world (over 1 million strong) and the largest soldier:population ratio in the world."

Some estimates recently show that number could be higher, which is one reason why we are holding back on invading NK/supporting a coup deat (or however its spelled) because they would be using an Iranian technique with actual weapons to fight with. This issue with NK is troubling because the world economically/socially has destroyed North Korea. Their only hope for survival is their military which recently they are trying to expand their military capabilities even further not to scare the world, not to protect themselves, but to impress their citizens into staying confident that their country will hold together despite poverty. Which the problem is, since their military is the only high light in NK, in order to get a change in government/a change at all is to eliminate their militarys effect on the people. NK wont give up communism so we cant wait it out.

One solution, take out their military which would mean war. Or, assassinate Kim Sung or w/e his name is to create trouble within their government. Or, support a group to a coup deat of the NK government. Or somehow, convince the people of NK to think different of their government. I believe the only solution to NK, is the people of NK.

Sorry for long post.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:37 pm

No need to apologise for long posts...

I think Kim Jong Il is just clutching at straws to try and prevent the country's total collapse, so he's trying to wow everyone with missiles. Pity for him that his new long-range missiles FAIL.

Danke · Post by **Danke** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:14 am

noxiousraccoon wrote:Or, assassinate Kim Sung or w/e his name is to create trouble within their government. Or, support a group to a coup deat of the NK government. Or somehow, convince the people of NK to think different of their government. I believe the only solution to NK, is the people of NK.

Kim Il-sung died in 1994, Kim Jong-Il is the current leader. Although technically Sung still holds the title "Eternal President of North Korea".

Another possibility which has been coming up a little is Korea reunification. It's pretty much impossible, but it's come up in the news lately.

Another reason why we don't want to fight North Korea: a lot of people live there. A lot of people who don't want to live there. If we start a war, a lot of them will go up into China. China really doesn't want these people. We don't want to make China mad considering we aren't well liked in the middle east, and pretty soon China is going to need oil and they don't have the reputation we do.

Wait for the day that gas prices are so high, you wish you lived in China, lol.

Dr.Cox · Post by **Dr.Cox** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:50 am

Isnt it ture that the US is more powerfull than the next NINE "superpowers" combined?

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:45 am

The US is also in an anti-war stage after the war in Iraq. There's also the fact that Koreans aren't Iraqis and have been professionally trained, they have the advantage of defensive fighting (if we invaded).

Then of course there is the other thing... Half the pro-war people are now wanting the troops to be back, why would they want them to go right back out again...

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:02 pm

mac_user wrote:The US is also in an anti-war stage after the war in Iraq. There's also the fact that Koreans aren't Iraqis and have been professionally trained, they have the advantage of defensive fighting (if we invaded).

Thats why I already posted they would be able to use an Iranian technique with actually trained people with good weapons. If yall dont know what the Iranian technique is, just ask I dont feel like saying it right now.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:40 pm

Go ahead and say it, I'm sure someone is going to ask you

(Not like I knew what it was anyway)

jks · Post by **jks** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:06 pm

I don't think we should get involved in another Korean conflict, I don't like the prospect of being in wars constantly.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:39 pm

jks wrote:I don't think we should get involved in another Korean conflict, I don't like the prospect of being in wars constantly.

Come on, it's the American way.

noxiousraccoon wrote:Or somehow, convince the people of NK to think different of their government.

Not likely, being as from birth they are shown videos of American soldiers raping and killing their people. They hate us.
On an interesting note, I remember finding this in the Wikipedia article on propaganda:

Yes, that's the American capital building.

Excal · Post by **Excal** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:46 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:There are 3 stages of Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, a stage 3 being able to reach anywhere in the world. They have developed a stage 2 capable of hitting the West Coast of the United States. I was in San Francisco for the 4th of July yesterday, and some people thought they might try to test on the US of the fourth, which of course they didn't.

Actually, the Taepodong-1 which NK fired in 1998 (thats the one that flew over japan) was a two stage missile. The Taepodong-2 is the three stage missile that failed shortly after launch recently.

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:An attack on North Korea be very delicate being as they have one of the largest standing armies in the world (over 1 million strong) and the largest soldier:population ratio in the world.

Yeah, they're over a million strong... but you have to keep in mind their armor and air capability is very limited. They mostly use Soviet Era weapons... things we fought against in Vietnam. The only difference between Iraq and North Korea is the level of fanaticism... every man, women, and child would fight the US until they die. The Iraqi military was still devastated from Desert Storm, and our technology overwhelmed them... so we pretty much stepped over them. Now its just insurgents from all around the middle east that are fighting the US in Iraq and Afghan. A war with North Korea would be disastrous.... hundreds of thousands, even millions, will die... both military and civilian. The best route to go is to mind our own business for now... and let China, Japan, and Russia handle this. The only problem with that route is China and Russia won't vote against NK in the UN... so we're pretty much stuck. Time for us to sit back and see what happens... if North Korea wants to attack us, let them. It's only going to result in their country being wiped off the face of the Earth... and they know that very well.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:19 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:
jks wrote:I don't think we should get involved in another Korean conflict, I don't like the prospect of being in wars constantly.
Come on, it's the American way.

If we fight everyones wars, no one will stick up for themselves in different countries if things start to go bad. We can't be relyed on to be the war heros all the time can we? Let alone I don't think we could afford it...

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:42 pm

multi-genre wrote:
The_Hushed_Casket wrote:
jks wrote:I don't think we should get involved in another Korean conflict, I don't like the prospect of being in wars constantly.
Come on, it's the American way.
If we fight everyones wars, no one will stick up for themselves in different countries if things start to go bad. We can't be relyed on to be the war heros all the time can we? Let alone I don't think we could afford it...

I'm not sure if you picked up the sarcasm in that statement, I was laying it on pretty thick. (You really can't communicate tone of voice over the Internet, what a shame)

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:13 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:
multi-genre wrote:
The_Hushed_Casket wrote:
jks wrote:I don't think we should get involved in another Korean conflict, I don't like the prospect of being in wars constantly.
Come on, it's the American way.
If we fight everyones wars, no one will stick up for themselves in different countries if things start to go bad. We can't be relyed on to be the war heros all the time can we? Let alone I don't think we could afford it...
I'm not sure if you picked up the sarcasm in that statement, I was laying it on pretty thick. (You really can't communicate tone of voice over the Internet, what a shame)

O RRY!?

Sometimes I can pick up tones, but with you, I dunno if you are serious or joking sometimes lol.

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:39 pm

mac_user wrote:Go ahead and say it, I'm sure someone is going to ask you (Not like I knew what it was anyway)

Well well, its 1989 during the Iraq and Iran war. Iraq is near Tehran but So damn insane decides to hault their advance. Iran, which economically and militarilly could not even counter the Iraq advance, came up with the brilliant strategy of gathering as many people as possible and running straight at the Iraq front. Some of the Iranian soldiers didnt even have weapons. This plan worked because they overran Iraqs machine gun nests, tanks, and other installations. Iran had barely any infrastructure to fight with, but managed to overrun the Iraqis and forced the war back into a stalemate.

So how does this apply to NK? NK is standing on a military that has nuclear capability, fairly good military infrastructure, and a massive infratry unit. These soldiers arent the terrible army Iran had, they are trained very well and know what to do. They would overrun our lines despite our tremendous military capabilities, it would be hard to even land in NK.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:53 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:Anybody watch that show Futureweapons on the Discovery Channel? It's incredible to see some of the modern weapons that are being used around the world. And yes, it shows many U.S. weapons that are being used to shoot missiles down almost 100% of the time.
I didn't watch that but I read about the development of a real life Gauss Cannon being developed for American warship. A Gauss Cannon uses magnetic energy instead of combustion (gunpowder) to fire projectiles. The one being developed would be capable of hitting anywhere in North Korea from off the coast.

A project based In Australia called MetalStorm That shoots bullets with an electric firing mechanism permanently eliminating the use of any moving parts in a gun. Gauss? maybe.

North Korea is a threat. What do Americans do about threats? Go in under False pretenses and convert them to Democracy with the barrel of an M16 and an M1 Abrams tank.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:32 pm

Note that this is only speculation at this point, but supposedly US officials have confirmed it, North Korea's Taepodong-2 missile was (again, supposedly) aimed at Hawaii. Source. It's time to get scared (especially Wes).
EDIT: I know that the source I posted seems a little shady, but Fox News has picked up the same story, I don't trust them per-se, but at least they have a reputation to keep. Am I the only one who sees the bitter irony in an attack on Hawaii being the catalyst for a major war for the second time?

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:46 pm

World War III here we come. Actually N Korea couldn't have picked a better time... US is sort of in an Anti-War stage right now (haha, half the people in the thread have mentioned this at least once now

), therefore N. Korea would have a huge advantage in the beginning since the US will be unwilling to immediately attack.

Then again, that's all theory.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:06 pm

If NK shot so much as one missile at US soil and hit, I could see Bush quite gladly unloading a few nukes at them and blasting out a new sea between China and South Korea, albeit a very radioactive one...

The thing is, North Korea fail at building missiles, for now anyway. By the time they get one working, the US will probably be easily capable of just rolling in and killing everything without many losses.

Darco · Post by **Darco** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:40 am

yeah if they successfully shot a missle at us, i could see the people of our country in favor of attacking them. not so sure about nukes though.