[WIP - vehi] Mongoose

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:11 pm

Yeah about that, the illegal thing, i got the model and bitmap from halomaps.org, they were halo CE tags, compiled them in a map and extracted. I think I can distribute, and if I cant, thats just wrong, there CE maps here on halomods that have this bitmap and model, and werent removed.

Snave · Post by **Snave** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:44 pm

If there are maps hosted here, they should have been removed, so if you see any please report them...

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:46 pm

Snave wrote:If there are maps hosted here, they should have been removed, so if you see any please report them...

So, if I release this with a patch on another site, its OK?

Snaku · Post by **Snaku** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:51 pm

Ok, I'm just not understanding the legalities being debated here. How can it be illegal to distribute a sppf with that model? Because it's protected Bungie content? Everything we do is protected Bungie content. Because the sppf contains the model and therefore the copyrighted material? If I make a map with a sentinel enforcer ripped from an sp map and injected into a mp one, doesn't that sppf contain the whole model and therefore protected copyrighted material? Perhaps someone can clear this up for me, because I can see no reason that it would be any more illegal than anything else we do.

As for the tire thing, I need more specifics. How are you moving them? (I ask because there's at least two ways to do it and one is no good). What do you mean by "sticking out 20 feet?" To the side?

Other than that, awesome work. I was particularly impressed with the model itself... until i found out it wasn't you that made it, but oh well. Still kudos for working on it and all that.
For the question about the backseat, I would say no. At least no for the stock version. Maybe after the initial release (pending legal clarifications) you could do a modified one. The skin looks a bit... Halo 1ish. Did you just inject the skin from the CE one as well? You should probably reskin it with a bit more detail and it could seriously benefit from some bump maps.
Also, dunno if it's possible, but it would be cool to be able to shoot your own weapon from the vehicle. I know it could be done with a half-animation but then his hands would never touch the handle bars. It'd be cool if there was a way to make him hold onto the handlebars with his left hand and fire a gun from his right... but that's probably more advanced than we can get just yet.

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:00 pm

Snaku wrote:Ok, I'm just not understanding the legalities being debated here. How can it be illegal to distribute a sppf with that model? Because it's protected Bungie content? Everything we do is protected Bungie content. Because the sppf contains the model and therefore the copyrighted material? If I make a map with a sentinel enforcer ripped from an sp map and injected into a mp one, doesn't that sppf contain the whole model and therefore protected copyrighted material? Perhaps someone can clear this up for me, because I can see no reason that it would be any more illegal than anything else we do.

Another good point

Snaku wrote: As for the tire thing, I need more specifics. How are you moving them? (I ask because there's at least two ways to do it and one is no good). What do you mean by "sticking out 20 feet?" To the side?

Nevermind, i fixed it, pictures should be up in 5 minutes.

Trigger_six · Post by **Trigger_six** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:04 pm

Thanks for the Credit

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:37 pm

UPDATE: Wheels fixed and animation for seat partially fixed

If you guys like, i might release today.

Snave · Post by **Snave** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:42 pm

Snaku wrote:Ok, I'm just not understanding the legalities being debated here. How can it be illegal to distribute a sppf with that model? Because it's protected Bungie content? Everything we do is protected Bungie content. Because the sppf contains the model and therefore the copyrighted material? If I make a map with a sentinel enforcer ripped from an sp map and injected into a mp one, doesn't that sppf contain the whole model and therefore protected copyrighted material? Perhaps someone can clear this up for me, because I can see no reason that it would be any more illegal than anything else we do.

The whole legality thing is a extremely fine line that we tread everyday, the fact about this model is that it comes from a beta\alpha version of Halo 2 (it may be the internal copy that was produced for around 9,000 Microsoft employee's or an e3 demo disk which I find unlikely) the point is no one owns these pre-versions (legally), and thus in my mind no one can distribute the files here.

However when dealing with the retail game, all people should own the game, and in my mind, downloading a patch and applying a mod which contains the sentinel enforcer is fine, as you technically own all the files from single player and multiplayer.

I must stress these are my thoughts on the situation, and they do not reflect Halomods as a whole >_> I also reserve the right to change my statement at anytime </covering back>

Juniorman030790 · Post by **Juniorman030790** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:09 pm

DUDE! BEAST MODE! I want it. LET ME KNOW if that gets released anywhere!

Edit: More ideas-

I think it would be awesome to some how make it have a clutch to do a wheelie. The wheels need to be made smaller too. It would be cool with some custom rims & bitmaps.

trepdimeflou · Post by **trepdimeflou** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:13 pm

Those wheels need to be quite a bit smaller =|

PyroBlizzard · Post by **PyroBlizzard** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:23 pm

I want this so bad!!!! Its perfect for halo 2!!!!

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:23 pm

Beta Released:

http://files.halomods.com/viewtopic.php?t=53787

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:08 pm

like i said in the file forums ill help where i can with the animations, just tell me what you want fixed.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:16 pm

trepdimeflou speaks the truth.

Snaku · Post by **Snaku** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:42 pm

I like the wheels. Besides, messing with the bounding box would screw up their axes, so resizing by conventional means is impractical. Now if you have a newer version of Entity (which I would guess you do, considering that you have a model injected with a decent UV map) I'm going to guess that you can probably extract the warthog's mode, shrink the wheels and re-inject.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:14 pm

Being hard is not the problem.
Being right is.

In Nomine Dole · Post by **In Nomine Dole** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:35 pm

Wasn't all of the data for the Mongoose already encoded onto the Halo 2 disc?

Itszutak · Post by **Itszutak** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:42 pm

Isn't this the mongoose from Yoyorast_Island or a simmilar CE map? It looks VERY simmilar...

JGrizzo · Post by **JGrizzo** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:27 pm

beta not released. the link doesnt work.

PigFarker · Post by **PigFarker** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:41 am

Itszutak wrote:Isn't this the mongoose from Yoyorast_Island or a simmilar CE map? It looks VERY simmilar...

Thats the whole thing. They remove MY mod for having this model, but dont remove those. They remove it because bungie wouldnt like it. Well, if I inform bungie with a nice little email on halomods having ripped content from the halo 2 beta, they wouldnt be happy about that now would that? (No, that isnt a threat, that is a question.) Thing is, I was also told by a moderator it is perfectly fine if it is hosted offsite. Also, incase your wondering, it wasnt ripped from there. There are plenty of maps that also have these tags, and they were also released, thats how I got this mode.