HUGE error in Insolence

[santamaycry]

ok, this is the craziest thing ever

I can mod a map just fine, but the second i go to edit something with Insolence that ADI cant handle(not even a level to level injection, just some number changing) it deletes something from my map on random.

I just tested it


I edit a map in ADI, everythings fine

check common things, make sure nothing is missing, good to go.

Open in Insolence, boom sniper has been deleted from weap...



So i thought maybe i edited something wrong. So i edited a map in Insolence, did nothing, resigned, and made a .serenity...it said it can't make a patch because objects/vehicles/banshee(somethign like that) is missing.


In conclusion, i officialy hate insolence

[GR1M REAPER UK]

i wondered what was doing that to my maps i thought it was adi cause all i did was change the prof effect on the neddler and it renamed and deleted loads of stuff like instaed of saying hold x to get in passenger seat it says press y to switch to shotgun and when u pick up the pp it says the description of ivory tower its fucking crazy

[Iron_Forge]

I opened a map, resigned it, and closed it with insolence, and the map remained unchanged...
I know renaming tags in Insolence is broken (this has been posted elsewhere), so if you're doing that...Don't...Deleting tags will prevent it from working with Serenity (though thats not Insolence's fault)...

Perhaps if you could give step by step detailed instructions of some process which breaks a map, the issue could be narrowed down...

[tjc2k4]

First of all, if you don't like Insolence, don't use it. Feel free to move anything from map to map with some tool you create or by hand.
If anyone posts a mod, then someone says "omg, this sucks!", it's looked down upon. Maybe it's their first mod. Maybe they're getting used to new tools, etc. But most people recognize that even if it's not as good as the Outstanding Mods, the author put some effort into it, and worked hard on it. So it's rude to criticize it, or if you do, atleast do it constructively.
Now. Why is it OK for all of you to criticize programs and constantly complain about them? I'd be willing to bet that I worked on this program, expecting nothing in return, for much much long than the majority of the mods posted on here. Yet my program is criticized without people thinking twice. If you don't like a mod, don't play it. So if you don't like my program, don't use it. It doesn't do everything perfectly, so what? Show me any program that does.
Nothing pisses me off more than someone complaining that MY program is doing something wrong and messing up their maps, etc when I know it's simply the user's error. Yes, it does do certain things incorrectly, but I'm relatively certain this isn't one of them. Also, I take pride in saying that if you know anything about the actual map format, my program does what it does in the most correct manner compared to any others out there. So it also rubs me the wrong way that people instantly accuse it of being the cause of messing up their maps all the time.
Don't get me wrong, it does have tons of bugs, and it does mess up maps sometimes, but don't instantly accuse my program just because it's new and you're not used to it.

Ok, all of that being said, I'll take a few more moments of my time to shed some light on a few possibilities about what's happening here.
If you rename anything in ADI, it pads the end of the filename with null characters. When Insolence reads the file table, and encounters a null, it reads it as a new filename. It means that if ADI renames the banshee, it'll put some null's at the end, then when Insolence reads filenames, they will all be shifted. However, if this was the case, most other editing program's would do the same thing. Did you check if any of those also show the sniper rifle before complaining that it's my program causing the problem? Renaming in Insolence is also broken, so avoid renaming anything altogether.

Also, I'm not such a crabby person all the time, but it's something that's been bugging me for a while and this I guess is the "straw that broke the camel's back". Reporting bugs is a big part of developing & improving software, but please make sure it's a program bug and not a user error or a seperate program before reporting it.

[santamaycry]

1. I never said "insolence sucks" i said i hated it

2.I didnt rename anything, i just opened it

As for what breaks a map, what I did above is pretty much what deleted things, nothing else

[tjc2k4]

I never accused you of saying it sucks, I was just saying that people don't criticize mods because they know people put effort and hard work into them, and since most people don't program, perhaps they don't realize programs are the same way if not more so.
Anyway, as Iron_Forge said, a more detailed, step by step recreation of what you did would be extremely helpful. Opening a map in Insolence and resigning it should not delete tags, and if it did I suppose there would be a handful more of complaints. Are you sure the maps you're starting with are 100% originals?

[xbox7887]

oh noez insolence made my map not work with system link WHAT DO I DO!!!

[santamaycry]

I never accused you of saying it sucks, I was just saying that people don't criticize mods because they know people put effort and hard work into them, and since most people don't program, perhaps they don't realize programs are the same way if not more so.
Anyway, as Iron_Forge said, a more detailed, step by step recreation of what you did would be extremely helpful. Opening a map in Insolence and resigning it should not delete tags, and if it did I suppose there would be a handful more of complaints. Are you sure the maps you're starting with are 100% originals?

Yes, 100% originals, nothing happens until i open with insolence, something at random will be deleted


as for xbox7887, OMG TRY RESETTING THE CACHE!!!

[tjc2k4]

This isn't the case when I open a map, nor lots of other people. Plus, it does absolutely *no* writing to the map when it opens it.

So there's something more here that you're not realizing... think real hard..

[santamaycry]

This isn't the case when I open a map, nor lots of other people. Plus, it does absolutely *no* writing to the map when it opens it.

So there's something more here that you're not realizing... think real hard..

Ok after some playing around, I get consistant(see: Horrible) results with this.

If i swap a shader of a mode all to one thing (to get a consistant look) then save+resign in ADI, then open in Insolence, look at some things, without editing, then close the map, something will be deleted

[tjc2k4]

Still makes no sense. Simply opening, viewing & closing a map in Insolence shouldn't do anything. Can you take a video of what you're doing? Or maybe do whatever you're doing with ADI, then open the map in DotHalo and see if something is missing. It would mean ADI is making the problem, not Insolence...

[imgettionowned]

Hey santamaycry, eveyrtime i read one of your dam posts, u always either say something retarted, or you're just saying shit about a mod or program. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU WROTE THIS. HOW COULD A PROGRAM DELETE FILES WITHOUT A CHANGE. If this was the case, then everyone would be bitching like you. It's like typing something in notepad, opening it up in word, and then printing it out, and finding out that every "I" is missing. Are you jealous that u couldn't make a program like insolence?

Also, Xbox7887 was being sarcastic

[santamaycry]

Hey santamaycry, eveyrtime i read one of your dam posts, u always either say something retarted, or you're just saying **** about a mod or program. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU WROTE THIS. HOW COULD A PROGRAM DELETE FILES WITHOUT A CHANGE. If this was the case, then everyone would be bitching like you. It's like typing something in notepad, opening it up in word, and then printing it out, and finding out that every "I" is missing. Are you jealous that u couldn't make a program like insolence?

Also, Xbox7887 was being sarcastic

1. It doesnt make sense, but its happening, and why the hell would i be jealous? and What was i thinking? here is what i was thinking "HOW COULD A PROGRAM DELETE AN ITEM FROM A MAP WITHOUT A CHANGE",

2. I know he was being sarcastic, i was being sarcastic in return.






You know what...I'm done being nice



SHUT THE FUCK UP, DON'T YOU TALK SHIT WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON, YOU PROBABLY ARE MAD BECAUSE I MADE YOU MAD SOMEWHERE ELSE AND NOW ARE OUT TO "EMBARASS ME" SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE THIS TOPIC THE HELL ALONE, IM HERE ASKING FOR HELP, NOT A FUCKING NOOB WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HE IS TALKING ABOUT

[Hikaru]

oh noez insolence made my map not work with system link WHAT DO I DO!!!

Lmao. You should jump off a cliff.

In conclusion, i officialy hate insolence

You don't really need to say that :/ if you want to just hop on IRC and tel tjc, like I did. But I only didn't like Insolence because people said it was crap, so now I used it, I find out, it's good. And is still under development.

[imgettionowned]

ASking for help, yea, by saying that you hate insolence.

It sounded more to me like you were trying to bash the program.

[Soul of Doom]

I think he was ..
But if Santa is right .. Then you are all wrong and should apologize ...
If not .. yeah .. You know what I mean ...

[santamaycry]

I think he was ..
But if Santa is right .. Then you are all wrong and should apologize ...
If not .. yeah .. You know what I mean ...

I'm not bashing this program, I am just fed up with it.

And i know for 100% that I am right, I have done all sorts of tests, nothing happens until I use insolence.I'm not even renaming tags

[boranes]

i had somewhat of the same promblem!
but its only after i added chunks to a map, then imports objects
from map to map!
then blamo...all my weapons itmc are gone!

[imgettionowned]

No offense, but if you're fed up with it, don't use it. Find another way to import crap from map to map. Personally, i think that insolence is the easiest way.

[santamaycry]

No offense, but if you're fed up with it, don't use it. Find another way to import crap from map to map. Personally, i think that insolence is the easiest way.

Im not using it to import things from map to map...