To the Admin that started the Poll:

Acid Rain · Post by **Acid Rain** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:28 pm

Thank you for starting this poll. It could really help Halo CE if you would take out and quit supporting Halo PC modding. If you PC users would actually LOOK at CE and see what it has to offer, you wouldn't be screaming and whineing about this little poll. You guys have closed minds, and I wish you didn't. Halo PC modding if very limited, and probably a waste of you time. Not that many people will play your stuff: all the people who play PC play the regular maps for the most part. CE, on the other hand, if not limited, you can do anything if you work hard enough. And if you do work hard enough and make something great, pleanty of people will play your map. Please, will all you PC users just open your mind, and look into what CE has to offer?

Waverunner · Post by **Waverunner** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:32 pm

Um, this should have been posted as a reply to the topic on the front page. Posting here will only get phenomena mad lmfao. Not that he doesn't have the right to be mad, this is insane....

Just a reminder to whoever posts in this thread: THINK BEFORE YOU POST. For some reason this topic just screams spam to me, and I will be watching it closely....

Pie · Post by **Pie** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:38 pm

Acid Rain. It seems to me that you are being the one with the closed mind. You do not look at the possibilities of HaloPC modding, and what has been happening to it. I highly doubt we will ever discard the HaloPC Modding sections due to the fact that this is a Halo Modding forum. Not a Anti-HaloPC Modding Forum, or a HaloCE Only Modding Forum.

This site stands for Halo2 Modding. HaloPC Modding. HaloCE Modding. All forms. People have come to do many an amazing thing for HaloPC, HaloCE, and Halo2. And thus, it will stay this way.

Deleting HaloPC Modding from this forum will not help support CE, but would cause this forum to twist in pain, and die. HaloPC modding is what started it all. HaloPC modding is what many members come here for.

HaloPC modders, also mod HaloCE for a general amount. I do both (personally) and am completely fine with it. Many people know about CE, but are either too lazy to download another program, or just don't think it's worth it. I even started to stop playing HaloCE, because it got boring. At least I can make simple, fun, and easy-to-do mods for PC that me and my friends can enjoy.

So next time. Open your mind to the possibilites of both.

x13igDudex12 · Post by **x13igDudex12** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:41 pm

yea what he said. Right now you are being what "I" call a moddist (i make up words

)...some one who prefers one modding over another and wants to get rid of it. Some of Us like onle PC modding and the others like to make new things for CE. And some ...like me.....like both.......and yes..getting rid of PC modding from this forum will cause twisting pain....like a cramp x100!

Waverunner · Post by **Waverunner** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:45 pm

Both PC and CE have many possibilities. As Pie said, taking away eiher of them would literally kill this site. I can't believe people would even suggest this. What is this world coming to?!?!

HaloPC modding is what made halo what it is today. Don't take that away from us.

Foamy · Post by **Foamy** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:04 pm

It's not so much the fact that you guys don't play halo CE that makes us CE players mad... it's the fact that (this is what I think) not many of halo PC players even give it an honest chance. By 'honest' I mean that I've found that many people download CE, boot the game up, try to get in a custom map server, and can't get in.

Some of the more willful players even get into a game playing a normal map, and swallow their pride and actually ask why they can't get into a custom map server. Most of the people on CE will tell you the steps in detail, and even give you their addresses on an instant message program if you need further help.

Of course, most people either quit when they A) Find out they have to download the map, or B) as soon as they can't get into a custom server.

So, I beg of you PC players, atleast give our game a chance. There may be some problems with it, but a bigger community is the only thing that could possibly make those problems go away, via a patch.

x13igDudex12 · Post by **x13igDudex12** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:06 pm

Some mods should deleate these kinds of posts....this whole thing has become a flame war for the ages.......war, what is it good for?....just leave the site as it is. It has brought many people already and will in the future

Pie · Post by **Pie** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:40 am

Well, i'm going to leave it unlocked for a moment or two, for nothing horrible has come from it yet.

Yes, it has the possibility that it can, but I'm watching it closely.

So far, no flames have occured, just a nice argument of opinions. Nice input, Foamy

kornman00 · Post by **kornman00** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:36 am

Actually, Halo Xbox is what started the whole modding halo thing :X

MasterNeoChief · Post by **MasterNeoChief** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:07 pm

Pie, don't forget Macs

DECOY · Post by **DECOY** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:15 pm

It' not "the end" of anything....

With the advent of more user friendly "level development tools" it is
inevitable that Halomods will increasingly become more mainstream.

There are mainstream rules already, apparently it is exceptable to alter
and rip the original HPC content, presumably because thats how it all
started. Using tags from CE in HPC mods is not allowed (here).

IF the HPC forums close down, nothing changes as regards people
modding other peoples/companies creations. It continues elsewhere, and
Halomods crosses over to trying to encrypt and protect Prometheus
content....

griffenmaster · Post by **griffenmaster** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:55 pm

A major contribution to the fact that Halo CE is not the game of choice is the fact that there are no 'good' maps to draw the masses in. Please allow me to define what I mean as 'good'. Most CE maps are great, providing lots of fun. However, there is a hugh lack of advertising channels for the publishers of quality maps to advertise thier maps. Ten people have this map, twelve this map. There are no established "favorites" or massively played levels, which I believe leads to the void of players. No single map has gathered the kind of following required to make CE worthwhile.

Some people have tried to get "map packs" together, but the enormous file sizes quickly turn people off. Instead of getting ride of the PC section, I believe it would be benificial to place more focus on either the "featured Mods" section of the site or the "Outstanding Mods" section of the files forum. These sections seem to be dumping grounds for random maps. If Halomods created some sort of system for sorting these maps by classifications and let members rank the maps, it would allow people to browse the available maps more easily. This will help modders and mod teams in advertising to a large audiance (to a higher degree than simply posting it in the forum and hoping for hits). It will also change Halomods from a dumping ground to a library of maps. I'm not suggesting that Halomods becomes Halomaps.org, but I do think that the visitors to Halomods want to play maps as much as they want to develop them, and slicing the site into two sections, "Development" and "Finished Works", would organize things and greatly increase the productivity (and playing) of both Halo CE and PC mods.

Sorry for the long rant. By the way, I'm on the side of Halo CE.

Foamy · Post by **Foamy** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:30 pm

griffenmaster wrote:A major contribution to the fact that Halo CE is not the game of choice is the fact that there are no 'good' maps to draw the masses in. Please allow me to define what I mean as 'good'. Most CE maps are great, providing lots of fun. However, there is a hugh lack of advertising channels for the publishers of quality maps to advertise thier maps. Ten people have this map, twelve this map. There are no established "favorites" or massively played levels, which I believe leads to the void of players. No single map has gathered the kind of following required to make CE worthwhile.

I'm confused. For the sheer amount of people (or, lack of people) that play in CE at the same time, of course there aren't any maps with a massive gathering. Except for Wartorn Cove, which at any given time has 5ish servers running it. Like I said though, we have several downright AWESOME maps, we just don't have enough people to play them. I've heard many people say, "what's the point of CE? No one even plays many custom maps"... this is not our (The CE Community's) fault. Want to play more custom maps? Convert your friends to CE so there's enough demand to PLAY custom maps.

Some people have tried to get "map packs" together, but the enormous file sizes quickly turn people off. Instead of getting ride of the PC section, I believe it would be benificial to place more focus on either the "featured Mods" section of the site or the "Outstanding Mods" section of the files forum. These sections seem to be dumping grounds for random maps. If Halomods created some sort of system for sorting these maps by classifications and let members rank the maps, it would allow people to browse the available maps more easily. This will help modders and mod teams in advertising to a large audiance (to a higher degree than simply posting it in the forum and hoping for hits). It will also change Halomods from a dumping ground to a library of maps. I'm not suggesting that Halomods becomes Halomaps.org, but I do think that the visitors to Halomods want to play maps as much as they want to develop them, and slicing the site into two sections, "Development" and "Finished Works", would organize things and greatly increase the productivity (and playing) of both Halo CE and PC mods.

Sorry for the long rant. By the way, I'm on the side of Halo CE.

Okay. I admit it. I split the quotes in two because I thought there would be something to argue against in the second part. Crap. My bad...

Pie · Post by **Pie** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:32 am

HaloPC moddingis what attracted the most people way back when. It is like deleting some of your past, and if it was a good past, why delete/lock it?

It's just flat out stupid. I dont care for any of them more than the other, I just care about the community and how the reaction would be. Many would leave if it closed.

griffenmaster · Post by **griffenmaster** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:10 am

Foamy wrote: I'm confused....

Yeah, I guess I did get a little confusing during the first part. "Good" was not the right word to use. Think of bloodgulch. When my friends and I played xboxconnect for Halo 1, everything was Bloodgulch CTF. Lan parties also saw bloodgulch as the popular choice. What I meant to say was the fact that CE has no gulch-like map, in the sense that no single map is played massively. 5 servers for one CE map is impressive, but I don't think you can use that as a shinning example for massively-played maps. I think the rest of your arguement here just strengthens what I've said; I agree with you and I think your statement is very similar to mine (or what I've tried to say haha).

I do agree you, and I may need to reword the first part of my arguement in order to better reflect what I was trying to say. As for your arguement to my second part, I'm glad you understand and respect my position.

SunnySharma · Post by **SunnySharma** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:36 pm

Pie wrote:HaloPC moddingis what attracted the most people way back when. It is like deleting some of your past, and if it was a good past, why delete/lock it?

It's just flat out stupid. I dont care for any of them more than the other, I just care about the community and how the reaction would be. Many would leave if it closed.

Actually, Pie, lets take this example.

Lets say someone owns an ATi Radeon 9200se. Now, they go and buy a 9800xt, which has tons of more features. Now, would they continue to use the 9200se in the same PC? or would they switch?

The only reason we don't have enough servers, players, support (patches), and fun, is because of PLAYER amount. Just because you guys complain about player amount, and how you guys won't download CE or whatver, is because it won't get fixed.

Gearbox promised us this. Patches and updating, ONLY if we get more than a 1000 players. Never happened.

[gx]shadow · Post by **[gx]shadow** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:09 pm

griffenmaster, when comparing the number of servers for a map in ce, and the number in pc, you can't judge without putting em in similar terms. out of over 200 maps, havingat least 5 servers for one map and having an estimate of 100 servers up at a time(not empty), its pretty darn good.

griffenmaster · Post by **griffenmaster** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:46 pm

You know what shadow? You're right. 5 out of 100 is great. I retract that part of my statement.

[gx]shadow · Post by **[gx]shadow** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:09 pm

this is a perfect example of why teens(if you are even a teen yet) have such a bad rep as being immature and dense as hell. are u that ignorant, or are you blind? you failed to realize the point i was trying to get across to you. instead of reading, where you will even find the response to your statement, you felt the animalistic urge to flame me. I am not even going to respond to answer your statement. You think you are a big boy, so read my prevous post and try to figure it out. I will even make it easy for you and bold the important words so you do not have to tax your little brain.

Pie · Post by **Pie** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:53 pm

SunnySharma wrote:
Pie wrote:HaloPC moddingis what attracted the most people way back when. It is like deleting some of your past, and if it was a good past, why delete/lock it?

It's just flat out stupid. I dont care for any of them more than the other, I just care about the community and how the reaction would be. Many would leave if it closed.
Actually, Pie, lets take this example.

Lets say someone owns an ATi Radeon 9200se. Now, they go and buy a 9800xt, which has tons of more features. Now, would they continue to use the 9200se in the same PC? or would they switch?

The only reason we don't have enough servers, players, support (patches), and fun, is because of PLAYER amount. Just because you guys complain about player amount, and how you guys won't download CE or whatver, is because it won't get fixed.

Gearbox promised us this. Patches and updating, ONLY if we get more than a 1000 players. Never happened.

But CE is not better than PC as would the video card. And PC is not better than CE. Peopel have their opinions, but they are basically two different games. Same engine and design, but completely different games.

This is the same argument as for Halo2 or Halflife 2 (blah blah blah).
Sure CE can have new maps and weapons, but PC has much easier modding felxibility without going through the hardships of creating a good map. PC can just open it up and change stuff, and there have been amazing things done. And still are, you just don't pay attention.

I'm actually going to lock this topic, since the results were that it was to stay, but if someone wishes me to unlock it, give me a reason and I might do it (with a topic title change). So, think.