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let me start you out with a few stories
John Martin wrote:They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.


This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.
But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
Robert M. Grooms wrote:In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially and physically.

The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.

The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).

In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings (5). In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners (6).

In 1860 William Ellison was South Carolina's largest Negro slaveowner. In Black Masters. A Free Family of Color in the Old South, authors Michael P. Johnson and James L. Roak write a sympathetic account of Ellison's life. From Ellison's birth as a slave to his death at 71, the authors attempt to provide justification, based on their own speculation, as to why a former slave would become a magnate slave master.

At birth he was given the name April. A common practice among slaves of the period was to name a child after the day or month of his or her birth. Between 1800 and 1802 April was purchased by a white slave-owner named William Ellison. Apprenticed at 12, he was taught the trades of carpentry, blacksmithing and machining, as well as how to read, write, cipher and do basic bookkeeping.

On June 8, 1816, William Ellison appeared before a magistrate (with five local freeholders as supporting witnesses) to gain permission to free April, now 26 years of age. In 1800 the South Carolina legislature had set out in detail the procedures for manumission. To end the practice of freeing unruly slaves of "bad or depraved" character and those who "from age or infirmity" were incapacitated, the state required that an owner testify under oath to the good character of the slave he sought to free. Also required was evidence of the slave's "ability to gain a livelihood in an honest way."

Although lawmakers of the time could not envision the incredibly vast public welfare structures of a later age, these stipulations became law in order to prevent slaveholders from freeing individuals who would become a burden on the general public.

Interestingly, considering today's accounts of life under slavery, authors Johnson and Roak report instances where free Negroes petitioned to be allowed to become slaves; this because they were unable to support themselves.

Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (University Press of Virginia-1995) was written by Ervin L. Jordan Jr., an African-American and assistant professor and associate curator of the Special Collections Department, University of Virginia library. He wrote: "One of the more curious aspects of the free black existence in Virginia was their ownership of slaves. Black slave masters owned members of their family and freed them in their wills. Free blacks were encouraged to sell themselves into slavery and had the right to choose their owner through a lengthy court procedure."

In 1816, shortly after his manumission, April moved to Stateburg. Initially he hired slave workers from local owners. When in 1817 he built a gin for Judge Thomas Watries, he credited the judge nine dollars "for hire of carpenter George for 12 days." By 1820 he had purchased two adult males to work in his shop (7). In fewer than four years after being freed, April demonstrated that he had no problem perpetuating an institution he had been released from. He also achieved greater monetary success than most white people of the period.

On June 20, 1820, April appeared in the Sumter District courthouse in Sumterville. Described in court papers submitted by his attorney as a "freed yellow man of about 29 years of age," he requested a name change because it "would yet greatly advance his interest as a tradesman." A new name would also "save him and his children from degradation and contempt which the minds of some do and will attach to the name April." Because "of the kindness" of his former master and as a "Mark of gratitude and respect for him" April asked that his name be changed to William Ellison. His request was granted.

In time the black Ellison family joined the predominantly white Episcopalian church. On August 6, 1824 he was allowed to put a family bench on the first floor, among those of the wealthy white families. Other blacks, free and slave, and poor whites sat in the balcony. Another wealthy Negro family would later join the first floor worshippers.

Between 1822 and the mid-1840s, Ellison gradually built a small empire, acquiring slaves in increasing numbers. He became one of South Carolina's major cotton gin manufacturers, selling his machines as far away as Mississippi. From February 1817 until the War Between the States commenced, his business advertisements appeared regularly in newspapers across the state. These included the Camden Gazette, the Sumter Southern Whig and the Black River Watchman.

Ellison was so successful, due to his utilization of cheap slave labor, that many white competitors went out of business. Such situations discredit impressions that whites dealt only with other whites. Where money was involved, it was apparent that neither Ellison's race or former status were considerations.

In his book, Ervin L. Jordan Jr. writes that, as the great conflagration of 1861-1865 approached: "Free Afro-Virginians were a nascent black middle class under siege, but several acquired property before and during the war. Approximately 169 free blacks owned 145,976 acres in the counties of Amelia, Amherst, Isle of Wight, Nansemond, Prince William and Surry, averaging 870 acres each. Twenty-rune Petersburg blacks each owned property worth $1,000 and continued to purchase more despite the war."

Jordan offers an example: "Gilbert Hunt, a Richmond ex-slave blacksmith, owned two slaves, a house valued at $1,376, and $500 in other properties at his death in 1863." Jordan wrote that "some free black residents of Hampton and Norfolk owned property of considerable value; 17 black Hamptonians possessed property worth a total of $15,000. Thirty-six black men paid taxes as heads of families in Elizabeth City County and were employed as blacksmiths, bricklayers, fishermen, oystermen and day laborers. In three Norfolk County parishes 160 blacks owned a total of $41,158 in real estate and personal property.

The general practice of the period was that plantation owners would buy seed and equip~ ment on credit and settle their outstanding accounts when the annual cotton crop was sold. Ellison, like all free Negroes, could resort to the courts for enforcement of the terms of contract agreements. Several times Ellison successfully sued white men for money owed him.

In 1838 Ellison purchased on time 54.5 acres adjoining his original acreage from one Stephen D. Miller. He moved into a large home on the property. What made the acquisition notable was that Miller had served in the South Carolina legislature, both in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, and while a resident of Stateburg had been governor of the state. Ellison's next door neighbor was Dr. W.W. Anderson, master of "Borough House, a magnificent 18th Century mansion. Anderson's son would win fame in the War Between the States as General "Fighting Dick" Anderson.

By 1847 Ellison owned over 350 acres, and more than 900 by 1860. He raised mostly cotton, with a small acreage set aside for cultivating foodstuffs to feed his family and slaves. In 1840 he owned 30 slaves, and by 1860 he owned 63. His sons, who lived in homes on the property, owned an additional nine slaves. They were trained as gin makers by their father (8). They had spent time in Canada, where many wealthy American Negroes of the period sent their children for advanced formal education. Ellison's sons and daughters married mulattos from Charleston, bringing them to the Ellison plantation to live.

In 1860 Ellison greatly underestimated his worth to tax assessors at $65,000. Even using this falsely stated figure, this man who had been a slave 44 years earlier had achieved great financial success. His wealth outdistanced 90 percent of his white neighbors in Sumter District. In the entire state, only five percent owned as much real estate as Ellison. His wealth was 15 times greater than that of the state's average for whites. And Ellison owned more slaves than 99 percent of the South's slaveholders.

Although a successful businessman and cotton farmer, Ellison's major source of income derived from being a "slave breeder." Slave breeding was looked upon with disgust throughout the South, and the laws of most southern states forbade the sale of slaves under the age of 12. In several states it was illegal to sell inherited slaves (9). Nevertheless, in 1840 Ellison secretly began slave breeding.

While there was subsequent investment return in raising and keeping young males, females were not productive workers in his factory or his cotton fields. As a result, except for a few females he raised to become "breeders," Ellison sold the female and many of the male children born to his female slaves at an average price of $400. Ellison had a reputation as a harsh master. His slaves were said to be the district's worst fed and clothed. On his property was located a small, windowless building where he would chain his problem slaves.

As with the slaves of his white counterparts, occasionally Ellison's slaves ran away. The historians of Sumter District reported that from time to time Ellison advertised for the return of his runaways. On at least one occasion Ellison hired the services of a slave catcher. According to an account by Robert N. Andrews, a white man who had purchased a small hotel in Stateburg in the 1820s, Ellison hired him to run down "a valuable slave. Andrews caught the slave in Belleville, Virginia. He stated: "I was paid on returning home $77.50 and $74 for expenses.

William Ellison died December 5, 1861. His will stated that his estate should pass into the joint hands of his free daughter and his two surviving sons. He bequeathed $500 to the slave daughter he had sold.

Following in their father's footsteps, the Ellison family actively supported the Confederacy throughout the war. They converted nearly their entire plantation to the production of corn, fodder, bacon, corn shucks and cotton for the Confederate armies. They paid $5,000 in taxes during the war. They also invested more than $9,000 in Confederate bonds, treasury notes and certificates in addition to the Confederate currency they held. At the end, all this valuable paper became worthless.

The younger Ellisons contributed more than farm produce, labor and money to the Confederate cause. On March 27, 1863 John Wilson Buckner, William Ellison's oldest grandson, enlisted in the 1st South Carolina Artillery. Buckner served in the company of Captains P.P. Galliard and A.H. Boykin, local white men who knew that Buckner was a Negro. Although it was illegal at the time for a Negro to formally join the Confederate forces, the Ellison family's prestige nullified the law in the minds of Buckner's comrades. Buckner was wounded in action on July 12, 1863. At his funeral in Stateburg in August, 1895 he was praised by his former Confederate officers as being a "faithful soldier."

Following the war the Ellison family fortune quickly dwindled. But many former Negro slave magnates quickly took advantage of circumstances and benefited by virtue of their race. For example Antoine Dubuclet, the previously mentioned New Orleans plantation owner who held more than 100 slaves, became Louisiana state treasurer during Reconstruction, a post he held from 1868 to 1877 (10).

A truer picture of the Old South, one never presented by the nation's mind molders, emerges from this account. The American South had been undergoing structural evolutionary changes far, far greater than generations of Americans have been led to believe. In time, within a relatively short time, the obsolete and economically nonviable institution of slavery would have disappeared. The nation would have been spared awesome traumas from which it would never fully recover.
Wait, hold on, so from what i have read a race decides to dwell in the past selectively blame who was responsible for something bad happening to their ancesters long ago and what happened to many other races and get their own damn month? it might just be me but something just doesn't add up there
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That is so much reading.. oh my god.
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Jordan wrote:That is so much reading.. oh my god.
please do its definatley worth it
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Black treatment is fine, the treatment they demand or strive for is absurd. They say they want equality, but the means through which they wish to achieve it is borderline racist/special treatment...which isn't equality.

Black slavery, yes everyone went through a period of slavery and spoilers, black people even traded away people from other tribes they had conquered, and some times people from their own tribes. It's just how shit went down, and it's hilarious how people manipulate the story to make it sound like white people are some raping, pillaging devils that ravage the land.

"Black power" pisses me off too. Yeah, it's cool to be proud of yourself, but shut the fuck up already. You're not fighting anything. Nobody is oppressing you. Stop acting like life is only rough for you. There are people of all colors who have terrible living conditions too, and people who have it way worse than you in other countries.

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What's to discuss? Africans sold each other. They wanted to make money, you can't put the blame entirely on Europeans. If they didn't sell them to whites, they would be selling them to other African tribes. Either way somebody is getting enslaved. Special treatment from the government should be based on your lifestyle, not the color of your skin. Yes, there are racist pricks but that comes with every nationality, you can't say a group of people should get better treatment than others because of their skin.
when a large majority of them seem to be focused only on leading a life of living the opposite of the American dream
That seems like quite the generalization. It seems to me like you just wanted to rant?
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especially when a large majority of them seem to be focused only on leading a life of living the opposite of the American dream
...what? If you want to have a discussion, please don't use generalizations that lead me to believe you have nothing intelligent to say.

Yes, slavery was bad. However, it was an evolution of using indentured servants that came from the UK to work the land. After a couple uprisings of the indentured servants, powerful people started simply getting slaves from Africa. I don't think it was anything really racist in the beginning, as there were plantations, and there was an economic need to use them. And even then, when major slave owners were treating slaves with disregard because of their skin color, it was maybe only the largest slave owners. Remember, most slaves in the South belonged to families that had only 1-4 slaves (I think so, the exact numbers are foggy. The point is that the large plantations were a small amount of slaves in the big picture). These smaller slave-owning groups probably did not have racist attitudes towards their slaves.

What I think is worse is what came after the Civil War, and the freeing of slaves. That's when it seems to have turned more toward racism, and was something worse. And yes, it is right to remember the shit that previous generations did. Does it somehow bother you that they get "their own damn month?" While we still have a bit to go, current society is pretty good...what bothers me is people that claim that they're somehow being discriminated against, and they don't even do anything about it. And no, I don't think it's "a large majority," as you said. If someone is truly being discriminated against (regardless whether it is gender, race, disability), and they don't attempt to correct it, that's when I get annoyed. Because in my opinion, I still see it as possible that there is prejudice in people, and I don't find it that odd when it does happen. That's how people are, and it's tough to change that.
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To me it sounds like you just wanted to complain about how your descendants get no credit for being inslaved alongside the africans.

I did a little research on your first writer, John Martin. All I've seen are artcles on Obama/Clinton, and this piece. Without any background to base his character on, and without any sources I could find for this document, theres no way for me to tell just how far he's "warped" what actually happen compared to what he wrote. Without any sources theres no proof that he didnt extremely exaggerate any and all of that passage.

All your second passage tries to accomplish is to prove that black people owned slaves. Oh my! Really Now? Who knew that? It's well known, and has no basis to your addressed point.


And for your third paragraph, all you have is racism towards african americans and spitefullness towards your ancestors being opted out of history. You also go so far as to generalize an entire race based on your own racist beliefs. And yes, saying all african-americans try to live in poverty is racist.

Whats the reasoning for them being left out of history? Maybe that they weren't segregated against near to the extent as african americans after they were freed? Maybe that it didn't take them until the 1960's to gain a poor excuse for "equality" in our nation, whereas true equality for them has still not been reached?

I have to disagree with your post in it's entirety. And before you claim me racist against Irish, or whatever else relating to that, I'm nearly 25% irish. Half my ancestors from my mothers side came directly from Ireland. So don't give me that bullshit.
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unknownv2 wrote:What's to discuss? Africans sold each other. They wanted to make money, you can't put the blame entirely on Europeans. If they didn't sell them to whites, they would be selling them to other African tribes. Either way somebody is getting enslaved. Special treatment from the government should be based on your lifestyle, not the color of your skin. Yes, there are racist pricks but that comes with every nationality, you can't say a group of people should get better treatment than others because of their skin.
when a large majority of them seem to be focused only on leading a life of living the opposite of the American dream
That seems like quite the generalization. It seems to me like you just wanted to rant?
yeah that part was a bit wrong ill remove it in a bit and what i think there is to be discussed is whether or not you think its right that they get to say the n word with unequal amounts of judgment and that they get their own month when no other culture does and that they get their own politically correct name when everyone else is just referred to as their color
DeadHamster wrote: All your second passage tries to accomplish is to prove that black people owned slaves. Oh my! Really Now? Who knew that? It's well known, and has no basis to your addressed point.
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I have just skipped a Mountain of text to Post this. I might read the above or I might not.

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Lets start with the basics shall we. There has Been Sin done to all... there is a Slave trade for all white or black or green. Of such...one enjoys bitching more not letting the wounds heal and the pains die. To let the past be learned instead of an excuse for more.

It is my feeling that Racism is one of the Dumbest forms of Hate (*shudder* not that any really is ) but with all bitching and the use of the system going around I'm not surprised its still around.

Look at this, look at what it has become... talking about it could get an individual Killed... it sad to see such low things happen for something so trivial. It flows as it grows it devours and flows, each time the topic is Brought of "Color" weather It be Black or White, Race and People...it grows. The spark stays.

There is no answer to the question... it just has to... "Is and be"

Of more I say to be seen.

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I could see why Black History month would be bad if it detracted from anything, but it doesn't. I mean, god forbid you learn some more about something. It's not like you're stopping in the middle of algebra class to learn about George Washington Carver.

On the topic of affirmative action, I don't think it's a program promoting equality. Sure blacks aren't being oppressed anymore, but to think that discrimination is done with is ridiculous. Equality would be something that prevents discrimination, affirmative action is just a reaction to it. It doesn't stop it, and it probably only encourages it. But I mean, how the hell do you stop discrimination?
they get to say the n word with unequal amounts of judgment
The connotations are different. It's not like blacks who call each other 'the n word' are saying "hey, you racially inferior to white people guy!" If you want to say it, go ahead, no one will probably care. But if you just feel you have the right to say it in a demeaning way, then yes, you do have that right. But prepare to get your ass kicked and rightfully so for being an ignorant racist.
they get their own month when no other culture does
There are 11 other months, and I think they should be filled out with Mexican, Irish, Native American, etc history months. I would enjoy it.
they get their own politically correct name when everyone else is just referred to as their color
African American is not a "politically correct" name for blacks. Not all blacks are African American, and not all African Americans are black. I know plenty of people who find 'black' the more correct name. Also, there are names like that for everyone. Caucasian American, Native American, Irish American, etc.

EDIT: Oh and on the topic of reparations, I think they are ridiculous and unnecessary, they serve absolutely no purpose. Unfortunately due to the lasting effects of post-civil war and up to the end of the civil rights movement race relations, I think that blacks are at a notable economic disadvantage that they're slowly pulling themselves out of now. I do think black slavery is a huge issue historically, if not just because of the Civil War.
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Danke wrote:I do think black slavery is a huge issue historically, if not just because of the Civil War.
and this is my biggest problem is what we are taught in schools about slavery i have taken all of the history classes that my county requires to pass on an advanced diploma and there was only one chapter that i can think of about slavs being slaved by vikings or something like that and also in my school the confederate flag isnt allowed to be displayed due to it being "racially offensive" when really the main reason that the civil war and the division of the nation occured was because of taxes
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Danke wrote:I do think black slavery is a huge issue historically, if not just because of the Civil War.
and this is my biggest problem is what we are taught in schools about slavery i have taken all of the history classes that my county requires to pass on an advanced diploma and there was only one chapter that i can think of about slavs being slaved by vikings or something like that and also in my school the confederate flag isnt allowed to be displayed due to it being "racially offensive" when really the main reason that the civil war and the division of the nation occured was because of taxes
Because it's a part of America's history, so yes you are going to go through it a lot in History class.

Have you gone through every single countrie's independence or mostly America's?
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unknownv2 wrote:
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Danke wrote:I do think black slavery is a huge issue historically, if not just because of the Civil War.
and this is my biggest problem is what we are taught in schools about slavery i have taken all of the history classes that my county requires to pass on an advanced diploma and there was only one chapter that i can think of about slavs being slaved by vikings or something like that and also in my school the confederate flag isnt allowed to be displayed due to it being "racially offensive" when really the main reason that the civil war and the division of the nation occured was because of taxes
Because it's a part of America's history, so yes you are going to go through it a lot in History class.

Have you gone through every single countrie's independence or mostly America's?
mostly americas except for two years of world history but what i am saying is that the curriculum is twisted into saying that blacks were the only ones that had it rough
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GametagAeonFlux wrote:Black treatment is fine, the treatment they demand or strive for is absurd. They say they want equality, but the means through which they wish to achieve it is borderline racist/special treatment...which isn't equality.

Black slavery, yes everyone went through a period of slavery and spoilers, black people even traded away people from other tribes they had conquered, and some times people from their own tribes. It's just how **** went down, and it's hilarious how people manipulate the story to make it sound like white people are some raping, pillaging devils that ravage the land.

"Black power" pisses me off too. Yeah, it's cool to be proud of yourself, but shut the *** up already. You're not fighting anything. Nobody is oppressing you. Stop acting like life is only rough for you. There are people of all colors who have terrible living conditions too, and people who have it way worse than you in other countries.

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I hate when certain people expect special treatment because of their race's history.
Just because our ancestors treated you wrong, doesn't mean you get to be specially treated.
sneakyn8 wrote:also in my school the confederate flag isnt allowed to be displayed due to it being "racially offensive"
sneakyn8 wrote:when really the main reason that the civil war and the division of the nation occured was because of taxes
Just because I display a confederate flag, doesn't mean I'm racist.
I hate when people believe that.

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One more thing that pisses me off is when, Foreign people use the "That's Racist" phrase to get away with stuff.
If you know what I mean, you probably hate it too.
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Someone told me that their not even the minority anymore, I heard that technically Caucasian's are.

But that's just what I heard, so don't hold it against me.
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we got more important stuff to worry about than stuff that happened hundreds of years ago...

yea it deserves recognition and attention, but we all know the story... how about genocide in Africa today? or conflict in the middle east? war b/w the western world and islamic extremists? terrorist attacks?

and that's just among ourselves... what about oil and energy problems? global warming (debated...)?

list is NEVA ENDING...
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But if we didn't recognize that subject, then people like Al Sharpton would rampage... They would claim it racist.

K, I'm keeping my mouth shut before I piss myself off...
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Im sooooo tired of this subject... I really hope Obama does become president just so people can say stfu about racism. If a black person can become president it shows there are no more racial boundaries holding people back.

Honestly its gotten to the point where the most racism is against white males, Everyone else is considered "Minority" and thus receive special treatment. Things like Affirmative Action only hurt America, If both a poor white boy and poor black boy apply for the same job, financial aid, etc, by law the black person must be chosen and thats just wrong. Affirmative Action is reverse racism and should be done away with, its not the 50s anymore...

Reparations is also completely ridiculous, Yea black people should just get free money for the work there ancestors did... In that same logic so should everyone whos Irish as the Irish were treated poorly and paid badly upon first coming to this country.

Instead of black people blaming America for slavery, why don't you stop and say f*cking Thank You, If not for America fighting for people and there rights there would likely still be wide spread slavery. The Civil war basically sparked the freeing of slaves world wide. Many white people lost there lives to free black people and its a fact thats often forgotten.
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I think everyone that agrees with GTAF('kewl doodz') should watch/listen to some of Bill Cosby's speeches. They're amazing.
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