Ahmadinejad in NYC

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:27 am

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran, visited NYC today to speak at the Columbia University, as well as some other things.
He says he wants to go to Ground Zero and lay a wreath for the fallen.
Sean Hannity (or some other radio talk show host) last night asked a very good question;
'Is he here to lay a wreath for the fallen of 9/11? Or is he here to lay a wreath for the terrorists who hijacked the planes?'

CNN Webpage:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/24/us.iran/index.html

I think that he should be arrested for war crimes.
You're thoughts on this?

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:32 am

One quote that seemed very...out of line for a president was that thing he said about homosexuality not being in Iran.

"We don't have the phenomenon known as homosexuality in Iran."

I think it was something like that.

Hawaiian Modder · Post by **Hawaiian Modder** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:34 am

I think that just because he is the president of Iran doesn't mean he caused 9/11 and everything. He's just another person who want's to pay his respects. Whats the big deal?

BTW if I missed something someone please inform me.

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:24 pm

Well for one thing, Iran held a group of Americans hostage in the 70's or so. Ahmadinejad wasn't like the big head behind it, but he WAS part of it. Most/all of the stuff he said at the university was lies.

Edit:
You know why he 'doesn't have homosexuals in Iran?'
Probably because they were all murdered.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:31 pm

i don't see exactly why people don't like him. i don't know very much of his background, but i don't believe any of the hijackers came from Iran, and shouldn't there be at least a bit of respect for foreign presidents?

INSANEdrive · Post by **INSANEdrive** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:40 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:i don't see exactly why people don't like him. i don't know very much of his background, but i don't believe any of the hijackers came from Iran, and shouldn't there be at least a bit of respect for foreign presidents?

Apparently, He believes that the Holocaust Never happened.

Theres one reason.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:47 pm

Hawaiian Modder wrote:I think that just because he is the president of Iran doesn't mean he caused 9/11 and everything. He's just another person who want's to pay his respects. Whats the big deal?

Perhaps it isn't that he's paying his respects to the victims.

I'll sum up my feelings quickly.

Yes, he has done, and contributed to, many horrendous acts and questionable motives. However, his character is no reason to bar him from speaking publicly. The people outside of the university protesting are causing problems, not solving them. Yeah, that's the impression to give to a world leader. Try to keep him out of a venue he was invited to, call him all sorts of slanderous things to his face, deny him freedom of speech, etc. Granted, we aren't very high in his eyes anyways, the actions of people who choose to fight his ideals through him, as a person, are irresponsible. If anything, his speaking to the students is a positive thing. It presents the opportunity for people to become more educated on who he is and why he does the things he does. The media twists reality. What we see is only the negative aspects of everything. It's basically propaganda. While it isn't very extreme, it is biased against countries and leaders such as Iran and Ahmadinejad. Permitting him to speak is going to open up a realistic view of many people, and further their informational basis of the subject. To say that you are going to restrict a rare, excellent learning opportunity because you disagree with his actions is idiotic and completely ignorant. Same applies for others. I know that Columbia officials have stated that they would invite Hitler to speak. It would be just as beneficial as this situation currently is. What downside comes from allowing someone to explain their views to a nation which is, for the most part, rather uneducated on such views? Anything that gives people a more realistic understanding and better factual basis for their beliefs should not be banned, regardless of who the person is. It's not like he's coming in, trying to recruit people. He comes solely to assist in the explanation which most people lack.

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:51 pm

Ahmadinejad is a terrorist leader, not a world leader. He was hardly giving his perspective. It even says ALL OVER the news that he was 'spitting hatred' at America and Columbia University.

Dr.Cox · Post by **Dr.Cox** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:07 pm

Isn't He also a non-believer of the holocaust?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:22 pm

He said it needs to be open to further research. He does not say it did not happen. This is a key example of the media misquoting and manipulating words to convey a message according to their own agenda.

UPS wrote:Ahmadinejad is a terrorist leader, not a world leader. He was hardly giving his perspective. It even says ALL OVER the news that he was 'spitting hatred' at America and Columbia University.

Sorry, I didn't know that Iran was excluded from countries of the world. We should probably alert cartographers of this. In addition, his opinions, whether they are good or not, are still his perspective. I don't know what you're trying to say, as it doesn't make any logical sense. Also, I'm not at all surprised that's what the news organizations say.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:34 pm

I am going to try SO hard to not get mad, because what I've read already has pissed me off more than anything in the Iraq topic.

UPS wrote:Sean Hannity (or some other radio talk show host) last night asked a very good question;
'Is he here to lay a wreath for the fallen of 9/11? Or is he here to lay a wreath for the terrorists who hijacked the planes?'

Everyone has a point of view. Sean Hannity's point of view is that Iran = bad, because they took hostages of the US Embassy. Iran says that that was good, because the CIA took out Iran's DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leader to institute the Shah, who was a dictator.

UPS wrote:I think that he should be arrested for war crimes.
You're thoughts on this?

What has he done that contitutes war crimes?

GametagAeonFlux wrote:One quote that seemed very...out of line for a president was that thing he said about homosexuality not being in Iran.

"We don't have the phenomenon known as homosexuality in Iran."

I think it was something like that.

I agree with that, that's pretty dumb, but Iran IS a pretty religious country...you can get weird statements like that from many evangelists as well.

UPS wrote:Well for one thing, Iran held a group of Americans hostage in the 70's or so. Ahmadinejad wasn't like the big head behind it, but he WAS part of it. Most/all of the stuff he said at the university was lies.

Refer to my previous statement on this.

[cc]z@nd! wrote:[...]but i don't believe any of the hijackers came from Iran

Yep. I count 15 hijackers from Saudia Arabia, 2 from the United Arab Emirates, 1 from Lebanon, and 1 from Egypt. 0 from Iran.

UPS wrote:Ahmadinejad is a terrorist leader, not a world leader. He was hardly giving his perspective.

Please explain to me how he is a terrorist leader.

UPS wrote:It even says ALL OVER the news that he was 'spitting hatred' at America and Columbia University.

The media is well known for putting things way out of proportion on EVERY issue. Have you ever WATCHED FOX News?

Dr.Cox wrote:Isn't He also a non-believer of the holocaust?

INSANEdrive wrote:Apparently, He believes that the Holocaust Never happened.

Theres one reason.

Mahmoud Ahmedinejad wrote:"They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets,"

Here's my take on what he's saying...the "myth" that he is referring to is that the Holocaust is used as an end-all to everything...he's saying that the Jewish religion (and obviously not all of them) and the people use that as a way to say "Hey, don't do anything else to us, we had to suffer the Holocaust."
Going back to "obviously not all of them," I'm sure many people here in America generalize religion and race as well...do you get uneasy if you see an Islamic bus driver? Why, because just because he is Islamic, he is a terrorist? Why don't people cower at Catholic bus drivers because they launched pretty bloody Crusades that were HOLY WARS, much like Osama bin Laden's jihad, which is a HOLY WAR?

sneakyn8 · Post by **sneakyn8** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:01 pm

about the holy wars thats because they were way way way way way way back in history and most of america is fat and lazy and wants to be done with school after (some times before) college and also a catholic person dosent have distinguishing feature as do hajis
i think he should have been sniped but i also think that what happened and was said has happened and been said and should b left at that
and a reson why he is disliked (probably the main reason) is that he took over the ayetollah

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:02 pm

i dont like him being in the U.S. one bit it just doesnt seem to settle with me, something just feels wrong to me with him in the U.S.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:03 pm

I'm not at all surprised.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:06 pm

That's it. I AM FUCKING SICK OF THIS FORUM.

sneakyn8 wrote: i think he should have been sniped

NO. THINK TWICE ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK YOU JUST SAID.

Man. Fuck this, I'm done with the internet, I'm going outside.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:13 pm

shadowkhas wrote:That's it. I AM *** SICK OF THIS FORUM.
sneakyn8 wrote: i think he should have been sniped
NO. THINK TWICE ABOUT WHAT THE *** YOU JUST SAID.

Man. *** this, I'm done with the internet, I'm going outside.

reffering to sneaky dude dont say stuff like that he hasnt done anything wrong. yet.

UPS · Post by **UPS** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:15 pm

@ Shadowkhas,

Ahmadinejad literally has american blood on his hands in the sense that he's supplied many terrorist groups with weapons that are used to kill American soldiers. I can't go into this much because I have to leave.

@ sneakyn8

That's your perspective on America? Fat and lazy?
You've obviously never been anywhere near North America.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:38 pm

UPS wrote:Ahmadinejad literally has american blood on his hands in the sense that he's supplied many terrorist groups with weapons that are used to kill American soldiers. I can't go into this much because I have to leave.

You're misusing the word "literally."

Hawaiian Modder · Post by **Hawaiian Modder** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:57 pm

I think this topic is full of people who really have no idea what there saying.
I couldn't even read sneaky's post, it just looked like it would piss me off.

Dissolution241 · Post by **Dissolution241** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:01 pm

sneakyn8 wrote:about the holy wars thats because they were way way way way way way back in history and most of america is fat and lazy and wants to be done with school after (some times before) college and also a catholic person dosent have distinguishing feature as do hajis
i think he should have been sniped but i also think that what happened and was said has happened and been said and should b left at that
and a reson why he is disliked (probably the main reason) is that he took over the ayetollah

Man, where'd you get your edjamacation at, you one smart sucka.

Holy shit, there's so many things wrong with what you said.