What do you think of the "new Halomods"?

[Eaton]

Is this a bug or did you give him that position?

It was like that before the transfer, so it transferred over. tjc isn't active anymore, so i'll fix that.

Ok, what about this?



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[INSANEdrive]

When I first got word I would be taking over HaloMods, I was very excited to have the ability to revive the site I used to spend hours and hours on. I felt that the activity on HaloMods was diminishing, like many users, and that change was required to give things a boost. To figure out a direction for the 'new halomods', I asked the opinions of some old friends that would eventually become part of the dev team. I asked many people, including some staff members questions like "Would you have any suggestions for HaloMods? What do you think should happen?". I was mostly greeted with 'haven't thought of that, don't know'. I considered starting forum debates - but I pictured long discussions and many disagreements about what to do with the new HaloMods and decided that that was not the way to go. Oops. This I feel was your biggest mistake. A Fight? HERE!?! You have been gone long. This place isn't like it was 2004...at least it wasen't 2 or 3 days ago. Can't say now. After selecting some oldtimers I thought knew the community very well, we thought long and hard about the changes that we should and should not make. I decided to introduce these new changes as a surprise, and I genuinly thought the community would love them.
We've all put many many hours of work in changing HaloMods from the better, trying to improve it and turn it into a new direction for the better. It's understandable that some people don't like some of the changes, because we changed a lot. But some people here are not giving this a chance at all. "Ooh new theme! HaloMods is dead!" "We can have HaloMods is dead signatures!" "We want Grenadiac back!". You can imagine, after working on this for a long time, staying up a night with no sleep, paying for a brand new server out of my own pocket and more this is the last thing I expected to face after finally applying our work.
I will be doing my best to improve this place. I will keep everyone in the loop from here on out. Good to hear. I will try and look at the posts with constructive criticism and improve on those. That's what I'm going to do after considering the posts in this thread. Having said that, I will also not tolerate any more posts that say things like 'HaloMods is dead' and 'SourceGuy is a bad admin'. Frankly i'm quite fed up with them, and I find it offensive that people could say such things considering the efforts I and the dev team have put into this. Such posts do nothing but introduce unneeded negativity and decrease morale. Please guys, stop it, change back your sigs, act mature. I'm here to help HaloMods, I'm not your enemy. You hit the bees nest hard with out smoking it. We are stinging now. First Impressions are everything and... Wow. Its funny how all the defending makes things angrier. Like trying to fight. Both sides are Shocked.

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Ah, it feels good to get this off my chest. I hope you can understand things better now that you have seen things from my perspective. Please, post constructive criticsism, always show respect to your fellow HaloMods members and most of all, have a good time!


Your new administrator,

SourceGuy

THE JOKER: "You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan." But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!"

All the DEVs NEED to study this TOO THE LETTER.

[bcnipod]

I have read ever post in this thread. I am stating my position. I am not forgiving the lies and coverup involved in this whole thing, particularly concerning geo.

I don't care about what is being said until something is done.

Lies?
what lies?
Tell me where has anyone lied about anything here.
What would you preffer halomods to be down for 3, 4 even upto 5 weeks only to be up for 5 hours and then to be down again or would you preffer a fresh new administrator who is willing to pay out of his own pocket to keep the site up for 24 hours a day 7 days a week and also arranged a team of regulars to revamp the site for the benefit of the community not for the devs but the community.
I cannot believe how closed minded some of you are being right now.
The Devs go out of their way to please everyone and all the members can do is nit pick.

I understand why Geo did it, here is what I am talking about: (this is about the poll he posted on what other things people mod)

Me to Geo: This is data for the future of HaloMods forums, amiright?
Geo to Me: Negative. What on earth gave you that idea? The admins take weeks to fix the database errors, what makes you think I of all people could convince them to change halomods lol.
Me to Geo: I am just going off what Iron_Forge said about HaloMods opening up to other types of modding. I figured that the poll was to see what games the community favoured to mod before you started planning.
Geo to Me: Iron_Forge said that? o_0 That's the first I've heard.

Close minded? The board belongs to everyone not just the admins, the admins have a final say, but would not do something without letting the members know. This is not about the site, it is about how it was handled. I do believe the former staff did say that they were not leaving because of the site, eg how it looked. I don't care if I have to sit infront of a "Critical database error" screen for up to 5 weeks. If the staff, and admins listened to the members, then I really would not mind. If it was really for the benefit then why did we not get a say in it. I am also on the receiving end of a similar situation as well. Pepsi, Deadhamster, Ombre, Andrew_b, and myself have all become moderators over on ModHalo.net. Recently Pepsi spent over a week making a new skin for ModHalo, then the members turn around and don't say anything. I am not Pepsi, I am not Phil, I was not directly involved with the creation, but that crushed him. Honestly, it did, it crushed him that nobody found it in themselves to post on something he spent a long time making out of the goodness of his heart. I am telling this story so people understand what happens to people on the recieving end of this talk. I know that SourceGuy, and the rest of the people don't like hearing this, it probably hurts them to, seeing the members they are trying to help whip back in anger and irritation at something they did to help everyone. I am not saying I am not, but I honestly think that this should have been more public than it was, the last server move was, granted that was just a physical one, but the principle remains, the members should not be left in the dark about something that deeply concerns them. I am only asking for this to be recognised and if possible fixed, because it is not right, and I am pretty sure many people understand that.

[Geo]

The board, and site belongs to SourceGuy. His word is final, whether I, you, or anyone agrees with it for that matter.

I apologise for deceiving you, as I've learnt from the community at HaloMods, if you tell one person to keep something secret, they tell one person to keep it secret, and it soons spreads like wildfire. Think about the merge, most of the users knew it was happening before it was announced.

Regardless, all is done now. You can either try to help improve the board by posting bugs and errors you find, or you can keep moaning and further hinder the community.

[Aumaan Anubis]

For those that feel that dramatic changes, and amazing releases will give them praise.

It's false.

Think Halo 3. Before release, everyone's like, "wooooh! Halo 3's comin' out!"
Then after release, almost everyone finds something to complain about. "The needler is overpowered!" "What happened to my SMG!" "Johnson died! Bungie destroyed the game!" "Bungie made the AR better than the BR!" "We want Coagulation!"

Can you imagine how many emails they expected to receive, concerning how hard they worked on the project? I betcha' they expected applause, parades, fireworks, etc. Instead, they receive people complaining about things, rather than thanking God they have anything at all.

If transition does not go absolutely smoothly, people will complain.
If you do not ask for USER INPUT, and I repeat, USER INPUT, people will complain.
If people are not prepared for a change, especially one that you should know people will hate!, people will complain!

So if you're wondering why you're not receiving praise, there's three reasons that you should've known in advance.

SourceGuy, I wish you absolute luck with the management and the future of this site. If you can fix the problems that've been created, things may settle. I would suggest fixing this board(notice, I said 'fixing,' not getting rid of), and for a list of problems with it, go look at Iron Forge's post. You're going to have to swallow your pride and apologize directly to staff if you want a chance of getting them back. And even then, you'll probably have to compensate them. Still may not work, however.
And you wanted to recognize the Dev Team, by making them higher than moderators, and this is because, of the hours they put into making the new site. Do you know, at all, how many hours the moderators have put into this site? The Dev do what, a couple weeks, maybe a couple months of work? The moderators did a couple years. That logic was absolutely terrible.
Again, much luck. Hope this all works out for you. But you can't have expected a lot of us to embrace the change.

iGeo, sorta' surprised you're an administrator now. I was surprised when you became a moderator a second time, after you were banned... And how after Staff made all this fuss about not wanting to change usernames for people, and you change yours. Consider yourself incredibly lucky, because you've somehow risen to the top of a forum that you shouldn't even be in.
As with SourceGuy, I also wish you incredible luck and pleasure in managing the new board.

[Geo]

I've never been banned.
I didn't change my own username, Iron_Forge did.

The dev team have no additional powers over staff. The group exists to acknowledge their efforts.

[Aumaan Anubis]

I've never been banned.

RC'd. Whatever.

I didn't change my own username, Iron_Forge did.

Then I find it to be a poor reflection on him, and the staff as a whole.

Yeah, yeah, there's probably 'underlying circumstances,' or whatever. But that's not what the public sees.

[Geo]

I've never been RC'd either.

I was demoted for something petty, the admin that demoted me realised within a week or so and promoted me again. I didn't re-promote myself, just like I didn't change my own user name.

[Aumaan Anubis]

I was demoted for something petty, the admin that demoted me realised within a week or so and promoted me again. I didn't re-promote myself, just like I didn't change my own user name.

Linking to a pornographic website is petty?

Or are we not talking about the same incident?

[Xero]

Hurts my eyes and confuses me.

[Geo]

I didn't link to anything. I referenced a name. I don't quite see where you're trying to go with this, so I'm ending this conversation.

[SHOUTrvb]

Underlying circumstances matter to a vast agree; lay off the bandwagon for a bit. And again, most of the Dev Team, save Phil and Anthony, have been Staff here for years as well. Hell, I'm one of the oldest Staff members still active; thanks to my re-promotion. Why do I feel like I shouldn't have to restate that I, along with the other Dev Members have been asking for suggestions and user input.. Some people have actually been giving it, but you, Aumaan, have instead decided to ignore those posts and continue to rant about.. well, nothing? Give us something we can work with. I will always place the community first here, so when the community is ready to take their stand, I'm here to advocate for them.

Edit: Aumaan, getting proper information is a good start..

[Samusaaron3]

I'm sorry to say this, but I don't think Halomods will ever be the same to me.

The theme is annoying, but it can be fixed. The new forums for different areas of modding frustrate me, but they can always be removed.

What's really ruining it for me is the departure of certain staff members. The spirit of the site will not be the same without them.

I understand (at least partially) why they left, but I'm still sad to see them go.

I can only hope that when I come back for another visit in the future that issues will have been resolved. I don't know how good of a chance I have.

[T1xAnton]

I've been a part of this community on and off for a long time now. It kept me wanting more and more in this "gaming" world. I love the changes, and I ALWAYS welcome change with open arms. Great job on the site! Just work on the main forum and it will be 100x better. Everyone will complain in the initial shock of this massive change but it will eventually be enjoyed by everyone. I remember when the forums merged and we got a new look. People complained for days.

Happy modding everyone.

[Aumaan Anubis]

Why do I feel like I shouldn't have to restate that I, along with the other Dev Members have been asking for suggestions and user input..

Asking for user input before release is what I was referring to...

Some people have actually been giving it, but you, Aumaan, have instead decided to ignore those posts and continue to rant about.. well, nothing? Give us something we can work with.

Get past the rant part of my post, and look for the advice. It's there.
-Fixing board issues(summary repeat of Iron Forge's post)
-Getting old staff back.
-Making staff higher than Dev Team.

And I wished new management luck with the new board.

You guys complain about how we're ranting about how the board is changed, and how it sucks, and we're not thanking you all for the amazing work you guys put into it.
But when I post, you all absolutely focus on the negative aspects of the post! Do I get thanked for wishing anyone luck?
Not to insult and incite a discussion with Geo again, I'm solely using this as an example, but I remarked, "I also wish you incredible luck and pleasure in managing the new board."
Does this get mentioned or thanked in his responding post? No. He focuses on the negative part of the post that concerns him.
I wish SourceGuy luck, I give advice on what to do for the future, but you blame me for complaining, rather than thanking me for advice!
Hmmm. I think that's called hypocrisy.

Before you can insult others, look at what you are doing, and fix YOURSELF before you decide to judge others about the same issue.

Edit: Aumaan, getting proper information is a good start..

Feel free to end the public discussion, as Geo mentioned, and take it to PMs or AIM.

[DrXThirst]

I hope it gets a virus, gets corrupted, and we have to go back to the old halomods.

"Dislike" is an extreme understatement.

[warlord]

Amusing...
Just this week america has had their first black president inaugurated and he was voted because he wanted change.
And yet change is the thing that Users are complaining the most.

[Veegie]

Amusing...
Just this week america has had their first black president inaugurated and he was voted because he wanted change.
And yet change is the thing that Users are complaining the most.

Except our change was completely public in what it was going to be, and conformed to what obviously was what the majority of the population preferred.

How you can consciously compare the two is beyond me.

[SHOUTrvb]

I also fail to see where the word "blame" is coming out Aumaan's posts.. We noted your constructive parts of your posts; I was just addressing the non-constructive parts.

[bcnipod]

Amusing...
Just this week america has had their first black president inaugurated and he was voted because he wanted change.
And yet change is the thing that Users are complaining the most.

It is not the change we are complaining about.