Mac's vs PC's

Patrickssj6 · Post by **Patrickssj6** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:48 pm

Tural wrote:
Explosive American wrote:The Mac OS has virtually no holes in it, and that's why no one even tries to make viruses for it.
No.

XD

Explosive American · Post by **Explosive American** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:13 pm

By no one, I meant very, very few people. Only a couple have succeeded in actually causing problems, if I remember correctly. Try not to take everything so literally.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:11 pm

Having "no holes" is not the reason why people do not attempt to develop viruses.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:02 pm

but .. the thing is, there ARE holes, even in the earlier Macs. there is no software written that is inpenetrable, and when you have the code of an OS to sift through, there's going to be holes, and you won't find them all.

besides, like i already said, with the introduction of OS X, the Mac just got a lot less secure at the price of higher functionality.

[cc]z@nd! wrote:"Macs are more secure than Windows"

dead wrong. the Mac OSX runs a UNIX MACH kernel, to quote hacking exposed fifth edition:

Hacking Exposed (fifth edition) wrote:
...with the introduction of OS X, the Mac is UNIX down to the core. Apple's underlying operating susytem is based on the MACH kernel (derived from Apple's acquisition of NeXT) and the venerable and ever popular FreeBSD.

..

a quick nMap scan of a Mac indicates the following open ports:

21/tcp - open - ftp
22/tcp - open - ssh
80/tcp - open - http
139/tcp - open - netbios-ssn
427/tcp - open - svrloc
515/tcp - open - printer
548/tcp - open - afpovertcp
631/tcp - open - ipp
6000/tcp - open - X11

As you can see...a multitude of services have been enabled and ar accessible via the network. If we connect to a few services, we can see the following:

[edited for brevity]
the important stuff is they enumerate the server versions:
Apache/1.3.29 (Darwin)
OpenSSH_3.6.1p1+CAN-2004-0175, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090702f
[/edited for brevity]

ah .. so the Mac runs Apache. Apache has had it's fair share of vulnerabilities in the pst, so we'll keep our eye on this service. .. well, what do you know? the Mac is running OpenSSH. Hmm...haven't we seen a few vulnerabilities related to SSH security recently? Of course. I guess we will have to keep our gaurd up on that service as well. ... Also, netbios file sharing is enabled, so this can be a convenient way for an attacker to gain entry to your files, and what's scarier is that many times when this service is enabled, people configure it without passwords or with very weak passwords--making it an excellent entry point into the system.

basically, with OS X the Mac got more functional, but has more soft spots to keep your eye on. so no, it's not an iron-walled fortress anymore.

currently, the only security advantage that i see Macs having over PCs is that there's alot less of them, and that servers are PCs, not Macs.

Explosive American · Post by **Explosive American** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:23 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:but .. the thing is, there ARE holes

Did I say there weren't?

Explosive American wrote:The Mac OS has virtually no holes in it

They're just harder to get to. Obviously some people succeeded. Google it.

sniperwolf · Post by **sniperwolf** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:09 pm

guys guys guys can't you see this constant fighting is tearing us all apart!......
plus thers less mac cuase all there good 4 is buisness stuff

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:44 pm

sniperwolf wrote:plus thers less mac cuase all there good 4 is buisness stuff

I don't even have words to describe my emotions towards this statement.

Patrickssj6 · Post by **Patrickssj6** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:54 pm

Explosive American wrote:
[cc]z@nd! wrote:but .. the thing is, there ARE holes
Did I say there weren't?

Explosive American wrote:The Mac OS has virtually no holes in it
They're just harder to get to. Obviously some people succeeded. Google it.

Then your statement was completly useless....

sniperwolf wrote:guys guys guys can't you see this constant fighting is tearing us all apart!......

Welcome to HM

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:08 pm

Patrickssj6 wrote:
sniperwolf wrote:guys guys guys can't you see this constant fighting is tearing us all apart!......
Welcome to HM

Lol Patrick, so true.

inferno · Post by **inferno** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:02 pm

Exactly

Funnny thing is i have a XPS from dell and yet im still "fuck XP i want OSX"
Irony anyone?

+ macs are great for modeling and video editing something i do alot

522Viper · Post by **522Viper** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:02 pm

PC FTW...

xXxCocoFangxXx · Post by **xXxCocoFangxXx** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:18 am

Mac's are good for a lot of things.

MaestroMan · Post by **MaestroMan** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:18 am

Yeah, when it comes to a clean, crisp desktop: Mac's.

But when it comes to manouverability as in quickly changing system settings easily: PC's.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:42 am

My Windows desktop is quite clean and crisp.

MaestroMan · Post by **MaestroMan** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:05 pm

I'm sure it is, but compare the icons on a Windows desktop to the icons in the dock on OSX, oh, and the type on a web browser

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:37 pm

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd take the professional look of Windows to the relaxed look of a Mac any day.

xXxCocoFangxXx · Post by **xXxCocoFangxXx** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:39 pm

I love how on Mac's you can put Stickies on the Desktop.

Grunt Rebel · Post by **Grunt Rebel** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:58 pm

Tural wrote: I'd take the professional look of Windows to the relaxed look of a Mac any day.

I agree.

MaestroMan · Post by **MaestroMan** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:36 am

But then on a PC, the computer guides you through the appearence of a puppy Beagle

Rallos · Post by **Rallos** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:14 am

The only reason there are so few viruses on Mac's is because there are simply not enough people that use them to worry about.