Global Warming

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:25 pm

The ice age hasn't been proven, that is why it is still a theory. Your belief that it did happen and that it is a fact is faith thinking not scientific or logical. You can't tell someone that a theory is true just because it is.

Rockymods · Post by **Rockymods** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:41 pm

I'm gonna try to redeem myself from my retarded post earlier.

It is certainly interesting to see both sides.

Ice Ages as a theory: I don't have a total oppinion on that but then how did humans get to the American continent? I was taught that a huge icebridge connected two continents and humans crossed over. Maybe it is just one of my totally wrong thoughts in my head. (what about mr frozen mammoth

IF a ice age comes, people will panick and either create a apocolypse or we will begin to freeze and then heat the earth up with our super heater we poured billions of dollars into to "save the world" (from a evidently natural course)

The season here certainly has come late as well as in new york. Seemed only like fall over thanksgiving. So either it is just a rare thing or something really is happening, I don't know. I just hope it snows on the skiing mountains instead of man made snow. There's not much I can really say about the two sides, I don't take either one, more like I'm a spectator with the occasional suggestion to be shot down by hard glares.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:00 pm

Well it seems I have a lot to reply to...

Ombre wrote:
Yamagushi wrote:2 things that annoyed me;

1) Stop with the *** answers of oh theres natural changes occuring and were just making it worse... There are no natural changes happening and if you all think so please provide some evidence because this sounds more far fetched than the global warming theory alone. The only impact on it is from us. In the last 10 years the yearly average tempature of the earth has risen more than since the ice age. If it was natural it would be spread out and even.
I have yet to see you back up anything you have said with a reliable source. Where does a scientist say that global warming is true 100% the way you are describing it? Where does one say that there is no chance it could be natural changes?

Do you guys think that meat really does cause 20% of global warming and that everyone should stop eating it entirely?

....It is proven co2 gases cause global warming, on a very small scale yes, , this was already explained in a previous post exactly how it happens. Is it the only thing causing global warming? Who knows theres probably many factors behind it. And as for it being natural, How is it the climate naturally changing? Ive at least given a proven example of a non-natural thing causing global warming. I would like to see your reasonings behind the earth suddenly up and deciding to change its temperature. There are causes behind Natural changes as well as there are non-natural changes such as co2 build up.

iGeo wrote:Exactly what I was about to post.

Yamagushi, easy with the attitude. You're the "idiot"... if Global Warming was caused 100% by CO2 emissions and it was a 'proven fact' there would be no debate, nobody would be questioning it... and this thread wouldn't exist.

You've basically come here, said it's a 100% proven fact, then when people argue against that, you call them idiotic and just re-cite your own words.

If anything, UPS' posts make more sense then any of yours thus far...

I did not say it was 100% caused by co2. I said it was 100% proven that co2 causes global warming. Wether or not there are other factors causing it is plenty up for debate. However ive yet to hear one reasonable explanation for anything else causing it. As for UPS's posts making sense fret not ill get to that next.

UPS wrote:Firstly..
Yamagushi wrote:If it was natural it would be spread out and even.
Ten years is nothing for the Earth. Ten years is a very long time for US, but think about all of the earth's forces as they are-
When in geology, looking at rock structure deep underground. You have to realize that there are large time-spans in between when each layer of rock was created.
I doubt that the earth would just heat up and cool back down in just ten years. All these big, natural things that are changing all the time TAKE time. I'll bet you that in the next few hundred years (some time, whether it's sooner or later) the earth begin to 'spread out and even' as you said.

Interesting that backs up what i said...... The world has changed in the last mear ten years, so what you just said backs up that it being natural is pretty highly against the odds.

Entire section removed for reasons previously stated. Blatant disregard for warnings in the future will result in punishment...

Outrage wrote:
Yamagushi wrote:2 things that annoyed me;

1) Stop with the *** answers of oh theres natural changes occuring and were just making it worse... There are no natural changes happening and if you all think so please provide some evidence...
Ever heard of the Ice Age? In case you didn't notice, the Ice Age came to an end.

Hairspray and CO2 emissions didn't end the Ice Age.

No like I explained already there were factors such as a giant rock slamming into our planet and blocking out the sun with debree in our atmosphere that caused the Ice age, not the earth getting bored and deciding to switch it up....

Anyone have any other ridiculous points to make?

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:11 pm

Yeah, why isn't our government doing anything about it?

Senor_Grunt · Post by **Senor_Grunt** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Since we are moving in an elliptical orbit, I think that the suns gravitational pull is causing our planet to move close and farther from the sun with each cycle. Here are some drawings I did in approximately 2 minutes.

I know my logic and stuff is really off. I know nothing about science. This is just my opinion on whats REALLY happening to earth. I wont be posting in this thread again. So farewell to this thread.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:17 pm

Wow removed an entire comment i had to UPS about what he said. Its ok when he posts ignorant crap like that but when someone has something to say about his twisted views it gets censored. Thats not right.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:20 pm

Yamagushi wrote:Wow removed an entire comment i had to UPS about what he said. Its ok when he posts ignorant crap like that but when someone has something to say about his twisted views it gets censored. Thats not right.

The restriction was posted after his comments, but well before yours. I'll have you know I don't agree with him one bit, but this is going to stay away from political discussion. There is no bias here.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:23 pm

Yamagushi, can't you accept that others have different opinions than you? You don't have to get defensive over other's personal beliefs in what is going on. They may disagree with you, but you don't have to call them idiots and such for it.

If all this continues, I can plainly see that this is going to be just like every other debatable topic... it's going to get locked. I don't understand why every topic like this turns out to have fighting in it.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:28 pm

mk I can understand that and ill be sure to message him personally. Tho I cant help but wonder why you removed;

(To UPS)
"As a final statement ill point out all you have for a base of why you dont believe in global warming is because Democrats believe its true therefore you disagree."

It is completely relavent to this discussion and his statement, and is in no way a political debate.

Yamagushi, can't you accept that others have different opinions than you? You don't have to get defensive over other's personal beliefs in what is going on. They may disagree with you, but you don't have to call them idiots and such for it.

If all this continues, I can plainly see that this is going to be just like every other debatable topic... it's going to get licked. I don't understand why every topic like this turns out to have fighting in it.

Its not that they have different opinions. All they have is a simple yes/no answer with no reasoning to back up there logic. Like I said ive yet to see 1 good argument about anything backing them up. They just have a bias opinion they probably got from someone else with no free thought of there own on the subject.

For example to the people who randomly posted something like "I agree its natural", I ask you based on what? 4 other people posting it before you or do u actually have some reasonable logic behind your decisions.

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:29 pm

JK-47 wrote:Yamagushi, can't you accept that others have different opinions than you?.

He can't because some people opinions contradicts real facts.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:46 pm

Yama, if you want to claim things as proven facts please provide sources. You want to say there was a ice age caused by big rocks? Great, provide a reliable source where it says that is a fact. It would be quite different if you were saying this might have happened, but you are stating what is and what isn't without any real proof.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:55 pm

Ombre wrote:Yama, if you want to claim things as proven facts please provide sources. You want to say there was a ice age caused by big rocks? Great, provide a reliable source where it says that is a fact. It would be quite different if you were saying this might have happened, but you are stating what is and what isn't without any real proof.

"Factors such as" were my words i never said that was proven.

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:52 am

i personally think it dues to the lack of green things called trees and shrubs and other oxygenating plants.
we are removing more trees and other plants that there are less plants taking the co2 out of the atmosphere i mean we could burn all the methane lakes in Iceland for all we want providing we had enough plants to filter the air.
i personally think main reason the ice age before us was caused by a mixture of too many vegetarian animals and too many animals in total which are/were breathing out co2 constantly.
sure may well be a natural astronomical orbital shift this stuff happens alot more than we like to think, but we also have to account for the fact that the sun has gotten a fricking lot bigger now than when the dinosaurs were about for instance.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:05 am

Yamagushi wrote:
Ombre wrote:Yama, if you want to claim things as proven facts please provide sources. You want to say there was a ice age caused by big rocks? Great, provide a reliable source where it says that is a fact. It would be quite different if you were saying this might have happened, but you are stating what is and what isn't without any real proof.
"Factors such as" were my words i never said that was proven.

You've said things are 'proven' several times in this debate, though we're yet to see citations or reliable sources for your arguments.

I'm losing patience with your ignorance.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:30 am

iGeo wrote:You've said things are 'proven' several times in this debate, though we're yet to see citations or reliable sources for your arguments.

I'm losing patience with your ignorance.

You need to read. Ive aleady said this at least 3-4 times. It is explained much earlier on in this thread.... Im not the ignorant one.

I said it was proven that co2 is a cause of global warming. IT IS PROVEN. PROVE IT WRONG. Like I said read the thread before you start calling people ignorant. Actually here ill help...

Jk47 wrote:
WaywornMmmmm wrote:Was there ever a proven link between CO2 and "global warming", or is it just a statistic? If it was never proven, I could use the same logic to say sales of frozen treats(higher in the summer months) is directly related to drowning(also higher in the summer).

I myself believe it is a natural warming period.
Like I said, CO2 traps heat.

However, I don't believe our CO2 levels are drastically changing the planet. It takes years and years for that stuff to even get up to the atmosphere. So, it's really likely that, like GTAF said, we won't see the effects of global warming.

Patrickssj6 · Post by **Patrickssj6** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:33 am

Senor_Grunt wrote: I know my logic and stuff is really off. I know nothing about science. This is just my opinion on whats REALLY happening to earth. I wont be posting in this thread again. So farewell to this thread.

I think you got everything wrong that could be taken wrong.

Sorry to offend some people here but I know that there are enough STUPID people on the planet that believe that winter is caused by the fact that earth is the furthest away from the sun possible.

WRONG...I repeat WRONG.

How the fuck can it be that there is Winter on the northern hemisphere and Summer on the southern hemisphere at the same time? Oh wait you guys didn't know that? Great.

It's cause by the fact that the earth is...angled towards/away from the sun.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:51 am

Yama, you have yet to show us who proved it, and how they did it. Sorry you can't really cite yourself as a reliable source. Underwear pants gnomes are proven to exist, PROVE ME WRONG.

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:54 am

Ombre wrote:Yama, you have yet to show us who proved it, and how they did it. Sorry you can't really cite yourself as a reliable source. Underwear pants gnomes are proven to exist, PROVE ME WRONG.

They all died out because of global warming. There, two birds with one stone

Philly · Post by **Philly** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:55 am

I agree, but let's stay on topic shall we?

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:57 am

Yamagushi wrote:
iGeo wrote:You've said things are 'proven' several times in this debate, though we're yet to see citations or reliable sources for your arguments.

I'm losing patience with your ignorance.
You need to read. Ive aleady said this at least 3-4 times. It is explained much earlier on in this thread.... Im not the ignorant one.

I said it was proven that co2 is a cause of global warming. IT IS PROVEN. PROVE IT WRONG. Like I said read the thread before you start calling people ignorant. Actually here ill help...

Jk47 wrote:
WaywornMmmmm wrote:Was there ever a proven link between CO2 and "global warming", or is it just a statistic? If it was never proven, I could use the same logic to say sales of frozen treats(higher in the summer months) is directly related to drowning(also higher in the summer).

I myself believe it is a natural warming period.
Like I said, CO2 traps heat.

However, I don't believe our CO2 levels are drastically changing the planet. It takes years and years for that stuff to even get up to the atmosphere. So, it's really likely that, like GTAF said, we won't see the effects of global warming.

YOU NEED TO FUCKING READ.

Try giving us some reliable sources for these things that are "100% proven"

Yamagushi wrote:IT IS PROVEN. PROVE IT WRONG.

Wow. Just wow. I actually had some kind of respect for you, until you said that. That is possible the worst logic I have ever encountered.