Iraq Topic

[shadowkhas]

This war was the final decision made by our government to end a leader of a country who has been a problem for 20 years. WMDs had nothing to do with this war.

Huh. I could have sworn they did, especially when members of our government like Condoleeza Rice were using scare tactics to influence the public, by using phrases like "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," and by pushing for an invasion of Iraq because they allegedly acquired WMDs.

It was either not go to war and leave America scared or go to war and leave America disappointed.

Too many people have this attitude. Everyone is either assuming that if we don't bomb the hell out of a country, we can't do anything else about it.
How about actually dedicating all of the money that's been spent on this war into good defensive capabilities? Why can't we just increase defense in our own borders, instead of trying to preempt conflicts abroad?

[newbymodder]

we have no money lol everyone keeps talking about how costly this war was and is but to be honest people were in debt the cost matters a little but not alot it will never be paid for unless we can find and claim a meteor or moon made out of gold or something of that nature " that will never happen "

and to what i said earlier about 911 needing to happen look around the general American is an idiot " and i don't need any ya your one of them comback if you can't notice that people are generally stupid then your one of them " classic example yeah lets raise the minimum wage that will give us more money boo you retards that makes the cost of living higher so that the companies can keep making money like they always have been, which if you dumb it down money ain't worth jack because we have no gold to support it in fort knox " sry if thats misspelled " so if you see those turn in your old gold for money its because we have no gold and that piece of paper " which is a misconception because its actually closer to cloth " doesn't have anything to back it so its basically only worth the materials that made it or probably less than that.

[shadowkhas]

we have no money lol everyone keeps talking about how costly this war was and is but to be honest people were in debt the cost matters a little but not alot it will never be paid for unless we can find and claim a meteor or moon made out of gold or something of that nature " that will never happen "

Yeah, do you know WHY we're in debt? Because this country sucks at managing money. Strangely, we were really good at it when Clinton was president.

[newbymodder]

lol it seemed like we were good at it but who closed all the refinery's because they didn't meet standards? Clinton, and we have been in debt for a long long long time.

edit the refinery's weren't very relevant to cost except for the fact that gas was cheap and all the retarded Americans are blaming Bush for the gas price when in actuality it was Clinton's doing that caused this it just came around in Bush's era

another edit lol its nice to see people shadowkhas have good common sense and a sense of what all is going on

[shadowkhas]

edit the refinery's weren't very relevant to cost except for the fact that gas was cheap and all the retarded Americans are blaming Bush for the gas price when in actuality it was Clinton's doing that caused this it just came around in Bush's era

If you want to go on oil/gas, this explains some stuff: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-cou ... _6980.html

[-Treetoad-]

How about actually dedicating all of the money that's been spent on this war into good defensive capabilities? Why can't we just increase defense in our own borders, instead of trying to preempt conflicts abroad?

We could limit what is able to be limited, but aviation isn't the only form of terrorism. There are many ways that fear can still be induced. Eliminating every possible threat would be impossible.

Also, what I meant when I said that we only had two options was this:
Don't you think we would have also been disappointed if our president had done nothing? going to war was pretty much our way of saying "This is what happens when you mess with us." It was in no way reasonable but it was the most realistic option to take at the time.

P.s. Thanks for the article, that was informative

[newbymodder]

i understand tree toad but i mean everyone i mean actually think of this your supposed to be running the US something like 911 happens what would u do? turn the other cheek of course not you would have to go to war its only logical

and ya thanks for that topic but when i was stating about the refinery's they were closed way before Katrina ever hit the Gulf

[shadowkhas]

i understand tree toad but i mean everyone i mean actually think of this your supposed to be running the US something like 911 happens what would u do? turn the other cheek of course not you would have to go to war its only logical

What? You can't go to a logical war against an ideology like terrorism! It's like waging war on Communism, there's no way to declare war on an idea. It's like thoughtcrime in 1984.

and ya thanks for that topic but when i was stating about the refinery's they were closed way before Katrina ever hit the Gulf

If you had read the article further, it went on to say that the refinery closings were in the mid 1990's.

We could limit what is able to be limited, but aviation isn't the only form of terrorism. There are many ways that fear can still be induced. Eliminating every possible threat would be impossible.

I'm not saying that the TSA is the only line of security here.

Also, what I meant when I said that we only had two options was this:
Don't you think we would have also been disappointed if our president had done nothing? going to war was pretty much our way of saying "This is what happens when you mess with us." It was in no way reasonable but it was the most realistic option to take at the time.

I wholeheartedly supported the effort to go to war with Afghanistan, which was the known whereabouts of the person in charge of the terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001. I don't support attacking Iraq (which is what this topic is about btw), on the false pretexts that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction and that they were massively supporting al Qaeda.

[newbymodder]

okay i'll rephrase what i said not war but the first intention was to get back at Afghanistan for the attack, war is the only word i could think of and yes this was a terroristic act and you can't really go to war against terrorism but i mean you can't do nothing either if we just sat here the whole world would say wow one of the strongest biggest nuclear powers in the world is going to sit there and just let innocent people die without even as much as retaliating even just verbally, the US couldn't afford that no country could,

[DoorM4n]

I think that when we originally went in, it was more of Bush being under pressure from the public than anything else. When our home country is attacked, and we know who's responsible, not doing anything about it would piss off tons of people. I'm not really knowledgeable on this subject, so I'll just say I think it was a good decision (even if we've been there for "too long") and leave it at that.

My exact response. You saved me from typing.

[shadowkhas]

you can't really go to war against terrorism but i mean you can't do nothing either if we just sat here

NOT GOING TO WAR ISN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
How many times do I have to reiterate this? If we would've corrected the intelligence-gathering mistakes that happened before 9/11 (ie, branches of the government not cooperating), and built up our defenses, that is NOT "just sitting here."

one of the strongest biggest nuclear powers in the world

Nuclear capabilities means next to nothing in the world now. Unless, you know, countries try to use it for energy purposes. How dare they.

[Trulife8342]

Bottom line, The bush administration is a bunch of liars, and Bush and his whole administration should all be impeached, Or better yet, arrested and rot in jail

Oh and if you still think other wise watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3slsCBqrQfk

[Ragdoll]

Bottom line, The bush administration is a bunch of liars, and Bush and his whole administration should all be impeached, Or better yet, arrested and rot in jail

Oh and if you still think other wise watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3slsCBqrQfk

makes you wonder exactly why they were lying. what are they trying to hide? and i do beleive they should be tried for war crimes, my sister and her honors class in her senior year did a moch trial for accusing the bush administration of warr crime. the school was nearly attacked by right wing conservative ass wipes.

[shadowkhas]

makes you wonder exactly why they were lying. what are they trying to hide?

The grander plan is to basically rule the world through American military might. It's no secret.

[Ragdoll]

makes you wonder exactly why they were lying. what are they trying to hide?

The grander plan is to basically rule the world through American military might. It's no secret.

word ive seen many conspiracy videos and articles, and i have to say, there is no evidence against them

[noxiousraccoon]

Huh. I could have sworn they did, especially when members of our government like Condoleeza Rice were using scare tactics to influence the public, by using phrases like "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," and by pushing for an invasion of Iraq because they allegedly acquired WMDs.

If our government knew the weapons inspectors didnt find anything and we knew Saddam got rid of his chemical weapons, then why would they use WMD's as an excuse for war? Because as Danke so put it, the American people care, but dont care enough to make a difference. Also shadow, please dont get me started on Clinton. Ill prolly go insane. haha.

WMDs were the justification. You can't push propaganda out of the way because it's propaganda. Without the public's reaction to it, there would be no war. The administration would not have enough power (money, etc) to start a war of this scale without the public approval he got from the WMD case.

Exactly, the WMD's were to gain public approval. Thats all WMD's were used for. How come after we invaded and congress began its investigations, head of intelligence at the CIA stepped down? The head of British intelligence stepped down along with French intelligence. The so called "intelligence" that proved that Saddam possessed WMDs never existed.

if Iraq had invaded Israel and the US did go to war, it would be an entirely different situation than it is now.

Why wait for Iraq to attack? Why not stop any potential outbreak of war knowing that a leader would use deadly tactics and possibly kill hundreds or thousands of innocent people? Do you know what Saddam did in the Iraq and Iran War? Is that not enough reason to convince the American public to go to war?

[shadowkhas]

word ive seen many conspiracy videos and articles, and i have to say, there is no evidence against them

Since when did I say anything about conspiracies? The PNAC is a factual organization.

Why not stop any potential outbreak of war knowing that a leader would use deadly tactics and possibly kill hundreds or thousands of innocent people? Do you know what Saddam did in the Iraq and Iran War? Is that not enough reason to convince the American public to go to war?

Why start a war with a government that is using deadly tactics, and is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people? Do you know what we did in the Iraq and Iran War? Is that not enough reason to convice YOU to want to get out of this war?

[noxiousraccoon]

Why start a war with a government that is using deadly tactics, and is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people? Do you know what we did in the Iraq and Iran War? Is that not enough reason to convice YOU to want to get out of this war?

1. Because I care enough to make a difference. If doing it with military power is the only to make it happen, so be it.
2. Yes I do, we gave chemical weapons, planes, other weapons, and men in the effort to overthrow Kamini after the failure of the Shah and the takeover of the American Embysee. Resulting in two failed attempts to rescue the American hostages, thousands dead, chemical weapons attacks, a destroyed Iraqi/Iranian economy, and a president who likes arms deals.
3. That doesnt make any sense. There isnt any reason that you provided to get out of this war. But, if after everything that I have stated and everything that yall have stated, no, nothing could get me to stop this war (if i had the choice) until I say its done. "This war started on my time, it will end on yours" - George W. Bush

[kibito87]

Quoting George Bush will not, I repeat NOT help your argument.

[Ragdoll]

Quoting George Bush will not, I repeat NOT help your argument.

agreed.