Girl Dies Because Parents Did Not Seek Help

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:25 am

sangheili wrote:You see this is why I don't worship a God who talked about Mustard Trees.

O?

Philly · Post by **Philly** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:45 am

Mind if I tell a story?

There once was a dam, with a town built in the valley below it. The dam provided employment and electricity for the town, so everybody was happy. One day, the dam burst. The river in the town swelled in size, and the water level started rising. One old couple living in the town were very religious, and they did not use their car to get away, they prayed to God to save them. Some neighbours of theirs came to the front door with their car, saying "Come on, quick! We can save you from the flood!" The couple ignored them, replying "No thank you, God will save us". After a long argument, the neighbours decided that there were other people to save, and drove away.

After a few hours, when the water had risen above street level, a rescue boat went around the town looking for those who were trapped. Again, the couple did not want to be rescued, claiming "God will save us". The rescue team in the boat left knew that other people would need their help, so they left the couple again.

It was dark now. The couple had been forced onto the roof of their house, and a helicopter with a bright searchlight came to help them. the loudspeaker boomed "Quick, attach yourselves to the winch!". The old couple still refused to be saved, claiming that God would save them.

They fell asleep on the rooftop. When they woke up, they found they were in heaven. They were both quite angry with God.

bibbit · Post by **bibbit** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:30 am

Philly wrote:I myself am a Christian, although I'm sure I wouldn't go that far...

Same here. Overgeneralizations are common towards religious people, and it's not fair to say that all Christians would do something like this.

But I suggest we end the religious talk here before some kind of debate flares up.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:36 am

I don't think a single person here is claiming all people are the same. It's being overgeneralized because there is no statistic to indicate what amount of people would consider these actions. Common knowledge is taking precedent over literalism when people refer to religion.

uralllame · Post by **uralllame** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:45 am

Religion is just a waste of time IMO.

And these new age "Western-medicine-was-forged-by-satan" herbal remedy hippie types are just as bad.

Cobain · Post by **Cobain** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:53 am

hey, isn't there a rule about not talking about religion this way, because of offenses?

0m3g4Muff1n987 · Post by **0m3g4Muff1n987** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:14 pm

Why does everyone keep blaming "religion" for this? It was the parents' fault, not God's. I agree, they most likely won't heal their child because they keep praying, but it's not God's fault the girl died, it was the parents who would not take their child to the doctor. Praying for miracles might've worked fine 2000 years ago, but it's obviously not going to happen today. What they should have done was take the girl to get help, and pray that she would be healed then. God doesn't miraculously do things just because you asked; sometimes you have to take some action before he goes to work and these people didn't do that.

That might've sounded kind of overzealous or something, but all I'm saying is, don't use this as an excuse to beat up on God. This incident wasn't His fault, it was the parents', and don't use this as an excuse to say God doesn't do miracles because I and countless other people have seen his work in our lives, almost every day, just not in huge, obvious ways like multiplying bread and fish or insta-calming the sea.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:18 pm

0m3g4Muff1n987 wrote:Why does everyone keep blaming "religion" for this? It was the parents' fault, not God's. I agree, they most likely won't heal their child because they keep praying, but it's not God's fault the girl died, it was the parents who would not take their child to the doctor.

Show me someone claiming it was God. Religion is a practice. They were practicing religion, which is what dictated them not going to a doctor. Religion and God are two different things. This is a direct result of the religious views of their family, which then affected their judgment. Religion is the core issue in this situation. Nobody is blaming God or anything like you seem to think. People are not attacking the establishment of religion, we are attacking this practice of religion.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:04 pm

Tural wrote:Show me someone claiming it was God.

Indirectly, but..

sangheili wrote:You see this is why I don't worship a God who talked about Mustard Trees.

We're actually on a similar page though, Tural. I consider myself deeply spiritual, but I still find most sorts of religious practice ridiculous. Hence why I don't even attend my own Church. Though you can't even really blame religion for this either. Really it's just idiot parents who allowed themselves to be controlled by something so simple and idiotic as a silly idea that they killed their own daughter. God doesn't tell us to be idiots and ignore blatantly obvious medical symptoms that could potentially kill our own. They could have prayed in the fucking hospital while they healed the girl. No, God, not even religion are to blame for this; the only thing that can take any blame at all are the narrow-minded fools that leached on to the wrong idea, and took it to a whole new extreme.

Philly · Post by **Philly** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:43 pm

0m3g4Muff1n987 wrote:What they should have done was take the girl to get help, and pray that she would be healed then. God doesn't miraculously do things just because you asked; sometimes you have to take some action before he goes to work and these people didn't do that.

Exactly. That was what I was trying to say.

RaVNzCRoFT · Post by **RaVNzCRoFT** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:22 pm

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:30 pm

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:00 pm

Ugh. That sucks, I wonder how the other kids feel...

sangheili · Post by **sangheili** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:21 pm

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii16 ... cepalm.jpg

It was only a matter of time before that was posted. But it works every time. Someone (but not me!) should do something if religion is causing deaths like this.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:25 pm

Like what...?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:27 pm

A Riot!

We have 'em screaming in the streets,
we have 'em tippin' over shit and breakin' fuckin' windows of small businesses,
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!

But not much can be done really...I still can't get over this mindset.

-Legendary- · Post by **-Legendary-** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:35 pm

Thinking about it makes me all twirly inside =/

sangheili · Post by **sangheili** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:38 pm

Having considerable time to think about my previous post above, I retract what I said, because it is only one person who died.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:44 pm

sangheili wrote:Having considerable time to think about my previous post above, I retract what I said, because it is only one person who died.

only

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:33 am

..... It's stuff like this that prove how people have a bad habit of taking an idea too far.... but then again people will always be stuborn and there is nothing anyone could have done to get them to do otherwise.