HHO alternative fuel

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:52 am

Regardless, this device still doesn't work.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:59 am

snakejknight wrote:I ask you this, if you take hydroge, and inject it into a sealed box of oxygen would it instantly combine to make water?

You would get steam; water in a gaseous state.

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:11 am

G.I.R. wrote:Regardless, this device still doesn't work.

haha define not work? what evidence do u have to support that?

i've done alot of reaserch on this, if you look around online the biggest argument on this is a bunch of people saying "you can't burn water vapor"

and what does the device claim to do? he claims he can produce HHO. He can. He claims it can give you better mil age, what says it cant?

That was the whole reason i started this topic, not to argue about something that is a proven fact, but to ask if it can be utilized like this guy claims.

Kinda bugs me that people are bashing the idea with no real reason

a valid argument against this would include something like the ratio of energy input to output (how can u make more energy combining atoms that it would cost to separate them) while this can be addressed its much more valid than not reading the material and saying "you cant burn water vapor"

You would get steam; water in a gaseous state.

no you wouldn't, steam is super heated water. Most reactions don't just happen, they take energy

example: coal is a hydrocarbon (hydrogen and carbon) (air is nitrogen oxygen, and a few other elements, but lets just focus on oxygen) so when you combine carbon and oxygen you get CO2 correct? (one part carbon 2 parts oxygen) so why doesn't charcoal constantly give off CO2 fumes? because there is no energy to start the reaction.

If you burn charcoal what you get is CO2 and H2O, the hydrocarbons in coal combine with the oxygen in the air, thus making carbon dioxide and water.

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:14 am

G.I.R. wrote:Saw this on Mythbusters. It does absolutely nothing.

They were using this exact product, I believe. It doesn't work, and it would be stupid to waste your money on it.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:34 am

snakejknight wrote: Kinda bugs me that people are bashing the idea with no real reason

People were giving valid arguments, but you continued, so people are being more forceful.

snakejknight wrote:steam is super heated water.

No, superheated water is superheated water.

snakejknight wrote:You are not taking water vapor and putting it in an engine, there are valves in the machine that are used for several other purposes, but basically they keep moister out.

But since, as I gathered from reading the page lightly, it puts in the "HHO" into your engine, that would gather to form even a light steam at the very least, and you could hydrolock your engine.

If you really want to save fuel, one method I've heard that works is for every 10 gallons of gasoline in your fuel tank, drop in 2-3 drops of pure acetone along with it (make sure it doesn't have any additives). I haven't gotten my hands on 100% acetone yet, so I don't have firsthand experience with it, but it's said to be pretty good.

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:38 am

shadowkhas wrote:If you really want to save fuel, one method I've heard that works is for every 10 gallons of gasoline in your fuel tank, drop in 2-3 drops of pure acetone along with it (make sure it doesn't have any additives). I haven't gotten my hands on 100% acetone yet, so I don't have firsthand experience with it, but it's said to be pretty good.

I've heard that this method doesn't work either. The only 'fuel saving' method I've heard of is the bio-fuel stuff (used french-fry greaase, etc.).

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:46 am

G.I.R. wrote:I've heard that this method doesn't work either. The only 'fuel saving' method I've heard of is the bio-fuel stuff (used french-fry greaase, etc.).

Yeah, like I said, I don't know. All that I've really heard is from a forum specific to my car, and a lot of people reported around 5 MPG gains. I still would rather do some testing by myself to be able to tell if it really works though.

-DeToX- · Post by **-DeToX-** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:48 am

HHO crap doesn't work from what I heard.

Shadowkhas, testing other fuels in your gas tanks, and mixtures, thats not safe, you can easily ruin your engine but..

God, everyones running their cars on different materials now.

I got dibs on making an ice cream powered car >__>.

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:52 am

-DeToX- wrote:I got dibs on making an ice cream powered car >__>.

Hellz yeah!!11!11!shift+1!1oneeleventy!!11

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:00 am

-DeToX- wrote:Shadowkhas, testing other fuels in your gas tanks, and mixtures, thats not safe, you can easily ruin your engine but..

1) My car is a POS anyway.

2) It's meant to explode, so by Quetzalcoatl, acetone will explode.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:26 am

ahhh waiting acouple years to build a car. im building one so ya its gonna take awhile but im looking into what some of you call "crap" but it was on fox, and if it works it will change the world, it will help the ozone layer and revilutionize the way we burn fossil fuels.

modmatarael · Post by **modmatarael** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:03 pm

you all seem pretty misguided on this "hho" system. simply stated, this is what it does.

using an electrolysis method, it separates h20 into its base elements, hydrogen and oxygen. these 2 gases are then injected into your engine via the air intake system. once in there, the hydrogen(which is rather volatile due to only 1 electron) combusts with the oxygen and gasoline/other fuel and produces a larger explosion, boosting the energy output while using slightly less fuel. the two elements don't recombine until after they have entered the exaust system, but due to the heat, stay in a gaseous form, and will not re condense until it has left your car and cools down. it does not actually run your car on water.

also, to the guy who said you got steam from injecting hydrogen into a sealed box of oxygen, youre wrong. you would have hydrogen and oxygen together in a sealed box. you only get steam/water if you run a current with enough amperage fuse the atoms together.

oh, and to prey, hydrogen is extremely volatile. it is possible to make a flame with it that doesnt burn our skin composition, but reacts violently to metals and other materials.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:54 pm

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snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:11 pm

modmatarael wrote:you all seem pretty misguided on this "hho" system. simply stated, this is what it does.

using an electrolysis method, it separates h20 into its base elements, hydrogen and oxygen. these 2 gases are then injected into your engine via the air intake system. once in there, the hydrogen(which is rather volatile due to only 1 electron) combusts with the oxygen and gasoline/other fuel and produces a larger explosion, boosting the energy output while using slightly less fuel. the two elements don't recombine until after they have entered the exaust system, but due to the heat, stay in a gaseous form, and will not re condense until it has left your car and cools down. it does not actually run your car on water.

also, to the guy who said you got steam from injecting hydrogen into a sealed box of oxygen, youre wrong. you would have hydrogen and oxygen together in a sealed box. you only get steam/water if you run a current with enough amperage fuse the atoms together.

oh, and to prey, hydrogen is extremely volatile. it is possible to make a flame with it that doesnt burn our skin composition, but reacts violently to metals and other materials.

yay someone that knows something

the only argument i have with this is that the combustion occurs at the same time as the molecules are combined. But water doesn't form until it goes into the exhaust and condeses.

and maybe i didnt explain it right, but i did know how the hho system works

thanks for your input

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:58 pm

Thanks for that post, modmatarael, I didn't catch all of that by looking at the website.

However, I still wouldn't believe it to increase your efficiency or power much...just like getting a Short Ram air intake or a CAI won't drastically increase your power. It'll give you power relative to what you're already running, and if you've got a weak car (I'd wager 150 horses or less), you probably won't feel the difference much.
It might actually have a noticeable effect on, say, a Saleen S7, but I wouldn't want to taint one of those with this contraption.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:41 pm

sounds like it could work, but i haven't taken chemistry yet, so i couldn't say for sure.

say, this remind me of th 6-stroke engine i read about in popular science, where the first 4 strokes are normal, but stroke 5 is water injected into the engine, and it instantly turns to steam from the hot insides of the engine, pushing the piston down for an extra stroke of power, and then it's pushed out by stroke 6.

eh, i'm not so much of a car person right now.

Cryticfarm · Post by **Cryticfarm** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:46 pm

G.I.R. wrote:
G.I.R. wrote:Saw this on Mythbusters. It does absolutely nothing.
They were using this exact product, I believe. It doesn't work, and it would be stupid to waste your money on it.

Ya I saw that episode too. The best was the food(fried) oil.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:16 pm

i don't see why we haven't converted to food oil or whatever they call it yet.

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:22 pm

snakejknight wrote:
G.I.R. wrote:Regardless, this device still doesn't work.
haha define not work? what evidence do u have to support that?

The fact that the exact product was tested under controlled conditions under the scrutiny of upwards of 302,370,000 people.
I don't even care of every single point they list on their site as facts turns out to be true. At the end of the day, the product does not work.

It just doesn't matter.
Their facts can checkout completely valid on every account of listing.
But after it all, it just does not work.

All future arguments moot.
You lose.

Not sorry.

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:15 pm

havnt seen that mythbusters, but i'd like too

ok so i might just accept detfeat (no big deal my boss bought it not me) when it gets in, i'll test it in my car, if it dont work i'll send pm apologies to everyone i argued with, but if it does work... do i get a cookie?