ModChip Resellers being raided by DCMA?

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:14 am

what i said makes perfect sense, and not just to me. you just fail to understand it.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:26 am

This is so last week.

I agree entirely with everything Tural said... the rest of us make an honest living, why should this guy be an exception. Also, what idiot tries to raise a child when his main source of income is modding xboxes.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:29 am

Xiion wrote:what i said makes perfect sense, and not just to me. you just fail to understand it.

That's a good way to discuss things. "It makes sense, but I won't explain the reasoning." It does not make sense. Why are you restating something I already said, and thus failing to answer my question entirely? Let's recap:

You: Busting resellers makes personal users look bad.
Me: How does busting resellers affect personal users?
You: They busted resellers.

What?

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:50 am

>_>

lets just drop, okay?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:59 am

I'd like an answer to my original question. How do these events adversely affect the public opinion of people who mod for personal use any more than the actual modding does?

Pyroman · Post by **Pyroman** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:02 am

I'm glad I bought my XeniumICE almost 2 years ago...Pitty to see this happen though.

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:03 am

because they are at the potential risk of being arrested for purchasing such goods. since it is now considered "illegal" to distribute modchips in general due to being able to run back ups on the xbox through them, the DCMA considers everyone who buys one a pirate, so it makes us look like we are the criminals, even if we don't have backups or illegal apps and warez on the XB HDD.

that's all i have to say.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:07 am

But you are conducting illegal activities by using a device designed to bypass copyright protections.

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:12 am

That may be true, but i would only consider it illegal to even own one if it is preflashed with a hacked bios, such as the LBA42 bios that allows to format 240+ GB harddrives. If I did own one, which i hope to soon, then i will most likely use an M8 Bios, for legality reasons. by purchasing the product, it is technically yours, you own it, it is your property, and you should be able to do whatever you please with it. if it is a copyrighted product, then why bother selling it? It was made by Microsoft, they knew that this would happen eventually, and this is the only way that they think they can stop us.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:16 am

Wow.
First of all, you don't decide what's legal. So it doesn't matter what you consider to be illegal.
Second, just because you own something does not give you the right to do whatever you want to it. You own the product, you do not own the copyrights.
Third, the "Well, they knew it would happen" thing is just a horrible, horrible point to make. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. That's what the laws are for, because they know people will do these things.

latinomodder · Post by **latinomodder** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:37 am

Pyroman wrote:I'm glad I bought my XeniumICE almost 2 years ago...Pitty to see this happen though.

Same, installed by an honest local modder....

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:47 am

latinomodder wrote:Same, installed by an illegal-activity-conducting local modder....

Fixed your quote. If he's modding Xboxs, that's a serious problem. That's what many of these raids are about.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:48 am

I'm going to go ahead and lock this, before myself or Tural explodes... unless you guys want to start posting intelligent stuff.

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:31 pm

iGeo wrote:I'm going to go ahead and lock this, before myself or Tural explodes... unless you guys want to start posting intelligent stuff.

I am trying to keep from making anyone angry, or misled by my own comments, but I am not so good with words anymore... I can only hold an intelligent conversation when being asked questions that I understand.

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:46 pm

i can see why selling pirated software is illega.....i also see that making backups maybe illegal.
but i was under the thought that once you buy hardware you had the choice of doing what you like with the hardware as long as it dos'nt involve backing up or copying software.
say for instance is opening up a xbox illegal?
is removing a memory chip from a xbox illegal?
if any of the above answers are no then why is installing a chip that can expand the capabilities of the console illegal?

Halo 2 Rules!! · Post by **Halo 2 Rules!!** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:41 pm

Tural wrote:Second, just because you own something does not give you the right to do whatever you want to it.

Excuse me? You're joking right?
That's like saying you can't do anything with a book except read it, because that's what it was built for.

Trulife8342 · Post by **Trulife8342** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:42 pm

Jean, please look what site your on...common sense doesn't apply here.

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:47 pm

REMOVED BY THE ON AND ONLY.... Xiion!

can we just like... get back on topic and discuss the issue, and NOT argue about it?

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:00 pm

Xiion wrote:
can we just like... get back on topic and discuss the issue, and NOT argue about it?

Well, its kinda hard to stay on topic when your point of view is this: The coke dealer is bad, but the ones who use the coke are ok.

Xiion · Post by **Xiion** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:02 pm

noxiousraccoon wrote:
Xiion wrote: can we just like... get back on topic and discuss the issue, and NOT argue about it?