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Patrickssj6 · Post by **Patrickssj6** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:57 am

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.

Whats so bad about communism?

imgettionowned · Post by **imgettionowned** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:14 pm

communism is actually a good plan on paper, but in real life it will never work

Read Animal Farm, and you'll understand why

Warbandit mk 3 · Post by **Warbandit mk 3** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:00 pm

Patrickssj6 wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.
Whats so bad about communism?

I'll tell you what so bad! Under communism, the government owns you and everything around you. You have no freedom of any kind!! You have to work on collective farms to make food, you don't have your own money, the leader says what you do, it's a living hell in the form of politics. To think, it all started when Karl Marx and his buddies wanted to take over a factory and run it themselves.

This has nothing to do with this topic, but Animal Farm is that story, take over the farm and run it themselves...the beginning of communism in a nutshell.

VoYdE · Post by **VoYdE** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:11 pm

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:
Patrickssj6 wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.
Whats so bad about communism?

I'll tell you what so bad! Under communism, the government owns you and everything around you. You have no freedom of any kind!! You have to work on collective farms to make food, you don't have your own money, the leader says what you do, it's a living hell in the form of politics. To think, it all started when Karl Marx and his buddies wanted to take over a factory and run it themselves.

This has nothing to do with this topic, but Animal Farm is that story, take over the farm and run it themselves...the beginning of communism in a nutshell.

I Have Never Heard Anything So Incorrect About Communism, Before I Start To Flame, I Suggest You Read More Views That Arent Pumped Full Of Bias That Communism Is Bad.

RaVNzCRoFT · Post by **RaVNzCRoFT** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:14 pm

Patrickssj6 wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.
Whats so bad about communism?

While I disagree with communism Patrick, I never actually said anything is bad about it in my post. I just said people don't have a right to call John Kerry a communist, because he definitely isn't. I don't know if Kerry would have been a good president or not, but that doesn't mean Bush is doing a good job. The way I see it, almost all people that are against Kerry are with Bush. So anyone insulting Kerry really has no room to talk, since in my opinion Bush is ruining this country.

jks · Post by **jks** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:14 pm

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:
Patrickssj6 wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.
Whats so bad about communism?

I'll tell you what so bad! Under communism, the government owns you and everything around you. You have no freedom of any kind!! You have to work on collective farms to make food, you don't have your own money, the leader says what you do, it's a living hell in the form of politics. To think, it all started when Karl Marx and his buddies wanted to take over a factory and run it themselves.

This has nothing to do with this topic, but Animal Farm is that story, take over the farm and run it themselves...the beginning of communism in a nutshell.

No see this is why the world has a warped view on communism. In communism there is no government. What Stalin did was called a totalitarian dictatorship under the guise of communism so it would seem he was "for the people". Under Marxist communism the working class will lead a revolt that gives them power in government, they will seize all assets and distribute them according to need, and eventually the people will get so used to this they wont have a need for a government to regulate it. The government will eventually "bleed away". But for this to happen there needs to be a revolution of the human conscience for the better, when you give someone absolute power over assets you cant expect him to willingly give up that power.

Warbandit mk 3 · Post by **Warbandit mk 3** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:42 pm

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:
Patrickssj6 wrote:
RaVNzCRoFT wrote:I agree completely. I don't think anyone has a right to call Kerry a communist, especially since Bush isn't the next George Washington either.
Whats so bad about communism?
While I disagree with communism Patrick, I never actually said anything is bad about it in my post. I just said people don't have a right to call John Kerry a communist, because he definitely isn't. I don't know if Kerry would have been a good president or not, but that doesn't mean Bush is doing a good job. The way I see it, almost all people that are against Kerry are with Bush. So anyone insulting Kerry really has no room to talk, since in my opinion Bush is ruining this country.

Bush is not ruining this country, he's just destroying the freedom to privacy.
Even though I'm a Republican Conservative (one of the strongest), I don't really like Bush very much.

I call John Kerry a communist because his beliefs are so similar to it.
(1) He supports gays and wants to violate constitutionally protected laws (the right to bear arms and marriage taking place between a man and a woman.) (2) He's a coward, he would never go to war. (3) He would take power and freedom away from people like Bill Clinton tried to.

I'm sorry if I hurt any of your feelings, but you never know what a person would do regardless of politcal party. Do not flame me.

jks · Post by **jks** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:02 pm

I dont think the gay bashing was necessary, they are people just like me and you, theres nothing different about them except who they want to spend their lives with.

RaVNzCRoFT · Post by **RaVNzCRoFT** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:08 pm

Absolutely. There's no reason at all why gay marriage shouldn't be banned. Gays are just people who are attracted to the same sex. And please don't correct me when I say I think Bush is ruining the country. It's just my opinion.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:12 pm

lol... bush-bashing... sounds like some kind of sport... anyway... just today there was a lock-out at my school, a couple hundred students started marching on the city streets. i heard that there were 20-something arrests... if youre curious, heres a link to an article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/03 ... _21_06.txt

EDIT:

RaVNzCRoFT wrote:Absolutely. There's no reason at all why gay marriage shouldn't be banned. ****s are just people who are attracted to the same sex. And please don't correct me when I say I think Bush is ruining the country. It's just my opinion.

i think that if there are two people of the same sex getting married, as long they dont get health benefits (due to the increased rate of STDs in same-sex relationships), I dont care if this is legal or not, it doesnt really affect me. i think that they should just legalize it, bc there are more important matters to deal with (such as illegal immigration), and the government seems to be wasting their money in pursuing this... just legalize it, since its not hurting anybody else... move on...

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:23 pm

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:Bush is not ruining this country, he's just destroying the freedom to privacy.
Even though I'm a Republican Conservative (one of the strongest), I don't really like Bush very much.

I call John Kerry a communist because his beliefs are so similar to it.
(1) He supports fags and wants to violate constitutionally protected laws (the right to bear arms and marriage taking place between a man and a woman.) (2) He's a coward, he would never go to war. (3) He would take power and freedom away from people like Bill Clinton tried to.

I'm sorry if I hurt any of your feelings, but you never know what a person would do regardless of politcal party. Do not flame me.

Your views are so twisted I don't know where to start. You boggle my mind. First of all, no gay bashing, I hope you bet banned. Second of all, Kerry was a Vietnam war hero, unlike the AWOL deserter Bush. You can't believe all the bullshit about Kerry's record that the slanderers at Fox News tell you. For the last time, stop apologizing for what you say. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want to hurt feelings, don't go around using derogatory terms like 'fag.' By the way, when you had your brain washed, did you have it waxed too?
God I hate people.

For that matter, how are the supposed (and twisted) views of Kerry's opinions similar to Communism. You know how? They aren't. You just like to label any views you don't like as 'Communist,' because of the (unjustified) negative conotation associated with the word.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:29 pm

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:He would take power and freedom away from people like Bill Clinton tried to.

thats the only part i agree with, but the thing about the war, you seem to think that theres always a reason to go to war. sometimes there is. bush had a reason... al qeda (i dont remember how to spell it) was bombing innocent people, and yes we did kill innocent people in vengeance, and i do disagree with that, but otherwise, what bush did in operation iraqi freedom (stupidest name ever, i swear), was completely right. i agree with hushed casket, that your views are very twisted and wrong. i know you said no flaming, but i had no choice to say something here.

RaVNzCRoFT · Post by **RaVNzCRoFT** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:42 pm

Don't appologize to him because he said not to flame him. If he's going to post his twisted thoughts here, he has to be prepared for people to post saying they disagree with them.

imgettionowned · Post by **imgettionowned** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:53 pm

I Reported the topic, CUT THE PETTY POLITICAL BULLSHIT ARGUEMENTS
It's all a matter of opinion, that's what is supposed to make this country "great"

Warbandit mk 3 · Post by **Warbandit mk 3** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:57 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote: Your views are so twisted I don't know where to start. You boggle my mind. First of all, no gay bashing, I hope you bet banned. Second of all, Kerry was a Vietnam war hero, unlike the AWOL deserter Bush. You can't believe all the bullshit about Kerry's record that the slanderers at Fox News tell you. For the last time, stop apologizing for what you say. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want to hurt feelings, don't go around using derogatory terms like 'fag.' By the way, when you had your brain washed, did you have it waxed too?
God I hate people.

For that matter, how are the supposed (and twisted) views of Kerry's opinions similar to Communism. You know how? They aren't. You just like to label any views you don't like as 'Communist,' because of the (unjustified) negative conotation associated with the word.

Look, I may be twisted, but no one chooses my views. I believe my own thoughts, media does not decide them for me. For the matter of this politcal stuff, I bash gays because of what they have done. Do you know what they do to children, other men in and outside of jail? I was not flaming anyone on the forum directly, so the damage was not intentional.
You're probably right, Fox might even have their tapes doctored.Bush might be destorying the country.If you are a Democratic Liberal, I did not flame you, I just flamed and bashed Kerry and gays. I had no direct negative contact on you. Let's not dicuss this anymore and dicuss illegal immigration.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:08 pm

I am all for getting back on topic. But quit posting your incredibly offensive and innacurate views on gays. You are making broad generalizations about what gay people do or do not do in their lives. Not to mention, what you said is not exclusive to gays, it happens as often or more with straight people. Gay bashing will NOT be tolerated.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:10 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:I am all for getting back on topic. But quit posting your incredibly offensive and innacurate views on gays. You are making broad generalizations about what gay people do or do not do in their lives. Not to mention, what you said is not exclusive to gays, it happens as often or more with straight people. Gay bashing will NOT be tolerated.

although, i dont agree w/ being gay, i think that it is not my place to think for other people. if other people want to get married with someone of the same sex, then let them... whatever happened to free america?

Warbandit mk 3 · Post by **Warbandit mk 3** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:16 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote:I am all for getting back on topic. But quit posting your incredibly offensive and innacurate views on gays. You are making broad generalizations about what gay people do or do not do in their lives. Not to mention, what you said is not exclusive to gays, it happens as often or more with straight people. Gay bashing will NOT be tolerated.

Okay, this is my last off topic post. Same gender child (not gonna say it) is not straight, it's by-sexual. Children are still male and female, so being attracted to them is not straight (Children of the same gender.). This is last off-topic, I know my lasts posts have drawn some people to hate me, but thats politics, I'm sure you understand why I made those posts. (Nothing happened to me to make my views the way they are, except for the banning of things, the san-francisco hand-gun ban lead me to me dis-like gays, and I hope I did not make anyone hate me.)

Edit: Everyone is different, so are the views. Please, let's get back on topic now.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:22 pm

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:Look, I may be twisted, but no one chooses my views. I believe my own thoughts, media does not decide them for me.

Warbandit mk 3 wrote:the san-francisco hand gun ban made me dis-like gays

you big time just contaridicted yourself there, if you choose your own views, then why did something like that "make you dis-like gays"?

imgettionowned · Post by **imgettionowned** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:27 pm

Stay On topic

And gh0570fchurch, I see that you're trying to prove a point, but that wasn't a major contradiction

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