Immigration to the U.S.

[imgettionowned]

What method should saddam have been taken out by then?

Personally I believe, that we should have went into Iraq not under the belief of WMD's, but we should have went there to free oppressed people

[hellknight]

Ok let me run u guys thru what i think is the problem first off that mexican president has to go the avergae mexican citizen makes about 65 cents an hour at a walmart.Corruption and shoddy politics by their presidnet is why they come here. Trust me if u saw your counytry reduced to a piss poor almost 3rd world status nation in less then 20 years and all b/c one man or a few men c'mon now. In the 80s is when it started and now its almost ruined our economy. The thingof it is, is that they will work jobs we dont want to but IF THEY WERE NEVER HERE our generation would glady take up those undesirable jobs b/c they wouldn't be here taking them all. They ruduce the quality of the work performed wich in turn makes ppl want to spend less money on those types of work wich means less money in my pocket and less money for me to spend b/c everone knows that the few goods mexicans buy will never compare to the goods i woud or could buy liike a 400 console or a 20,000 dollar car or a 250,000 dollar home. Mexicans severely destroy our economy b/c istead of ten well off ppl buying ten cars or ten homes or ten 360s u have 10 mexicans buying one house one car one 360 that will never help this ecomony and thw taxes they pay wich is almost just sales tax also doenst and will never help this ecoomy.

Its really discerning that i know my job and ppl who dont evne have a formel education and or speak the english langueage are doing MY JOB for less wich SERIOUSLY KILLS THE MARKET FOR MY JOB b/c why would someone pay me a 100 dollars every 5 hrs when they can pay some mexican 80 dollars for the whole day even tho if i did the job it would come out being DONE RIGHT so please dont flame me but i really hate all them being here and i personally wont stop until every last one of them is either sent back or murdered i dont really care which one happensa even tho bulletes are much cheaper and will go alot farther woith sending these ppl a amsg then just deportation just my opinion

[The_Hushed_Casket]

i personally wont stop until every last one of them is either sent back or murdered i dont really care which one happensa even tho bulletes are much cheaper and will go alot farther woith sending these ppl a amsg then just deportation just my opinion

You are the embodiment of my worst fears. Listen to yourself! You make me sick. How could you ever wish death on these people you haven't even met (and even if you had, death is a terrible thing to wish on anybody). What is the human race coming to?

Not to mention, check you facts, the degeneration of Mexico and South America did not start with the 80's. The country(s) didn't industrialize until way after the rest of the world and that is why they are so behind. Of course, corrupt governments aren't doing much good to reverse this, but it didn't start in the 80's.

[Cuda]

Im ok with some staying, Like I've said before, Amnesty to a certain Extent, But a Genocide of a people is a bit much. Quit thinking Like Himmler. This is the U.S.

[gh0570fchurch]

Himmler? you mean Hitler?
anyway, i think that what we should do is make it easier to come here legally. that would cut down on the illegal immigration and encourage them to come here legally. you're right cuda this is the U.S. the point of the U.S. is to allow anybody to come here despite their racial, religious, or w/e differences, and what hellknight is saying is going way to far.

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You make me sick.

agreed.

[Cuda]

Himmler? you mean Hitler?

No. Heinrich Himmler was the guy that led the SS and the Gestapo and Organised the Holocaust.

[Patrickssj6]

The Hushed Casket and Patrickssj6, after reading that I have realized how big of hippocrits you are. You oppose the Iraq war, and yet you say how early Americans muredered indians and how wrong it was. Wait, isn't that what Saddam Hussein was doing, blatantly murdering all that opposed him.

LOL @ that statement.
The_Hushed_Casket is completly right.But well we'll see on the 1st of May

[Warbandit mk 3]

[quote="The_Hushed_Casket""]You make me sick. [/quote]


Same here. That guy is a monster, I have friends who are Mexican.


Those people need those jobs and we need them to take those jobs, it's the illeagal immigration we shouldn't like, not those people.

Mexico's population of rich or middle class people is 2%, and the poor population is 98%. Making Mexico a very bad 3rd world country to live in.

Also, I'm not racist, I just don't like flag burning.

[jks]

I think America, with our vast(but fading) power should enact a program to help the 3rd world countries with their problems, you dont open the drain on a sink before turning off the faucet, then more water would just come in, we are trying to treat a symptom not the disease. The new program I think should work like this: The foreign nation in question signs an agreement with the US, becoming a country "under our guidance" and economic aid, the country retains its own sovereign governing body, but instead the people pay US taxes in exchange for our help in developing the country.

[Cuda]

. The new program I think should work like this: The foreign nation in question signs an agreement with the US, becoming a country "under our guidance" and economic aid, the country retains its own sovereign governing body, but instead the people pay US taxes in exchange for our help in developing the country.

You know whats Hillarious jks? we already got something like that. Called a U.S. Territory. The Marshal Islands for example has american Aid, but has their own Government. In return, we have a Military base their and back in the 60's we did nuke testing over there.

[gh0570fchurch]

Himmler? you mean Hitler?

No. Heinrich Himmler was the guy that led the SS and the Gestapo and Organised the Holocaust.

ahhh, well i havent studied ww2 in school yet, we just finished world religions.

[hellknight]

i personally wont stop until every last one of them is either sent back or murdered i dont really care which one happensa even tho bulletes are much cheaper and will go alot farther woith sending these ppl a amsg then just deportation just my opinion

You are the embodiment of my worst fears. Listen to yourself! You make me sick. How could you ever wish death on these people you haven't even met (and even if you had, death is a terrible thing to wish on anybody). What is the human race coming to?

Not to mention, check you facts, the degeneration of Mexico and South America did not start with the 80's. The country(s) didn't industrialize until way after the rest of the world and that is why they are so behind. Of course, corrupt governments aren't doing much good to reverse this, but it didn't start in the 80's.

Listen man i dont wish death upon anyone, You took my post out of its context.I simply stated a fact thats sending these ppl back would cost more then the some odd 11 million bullets it could require to end the problem cost effectively.Trust me the only ppl i wish death upon are criminals and im sorry if you mistook what i said.

Also the only reason why i asaid the 80s is b/c during Pablo Escobars days most of his drug smugglers whom werent loyal to him would stay here once they brought their drugs and they then told their families of how to get here and so it started with the illeagal immigration form mexico into america thats all i meant by that.

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The_Hushed_Casket" wrote:
You make me sick.



Same here. That guy is a monster, I have friends who are Mexican.


Those people need those jobs and we need them to take those jobs, it's the illeagal immigration we shouldn't like, not those people.

Mexico's population of rich or middle class people is 2%, and the poor population is 98%. Making Mexico a very bad 3rd world country to live in.

Also, I'm not racist, I just don't like flag burning.

Im not racist either but they let us rot in their jails if we dont have A. A passport whilst we r there and B. if we arent a citizen or with some red cross aid organization. C'mon now its bad enough they take MY jobs and that they do a really horrible job at it. Now b/c of all the immigration and such jobs that required NO certification or Licensing will now require those things and at whose expense MINE and who will that money goto. To either social programs to assist ppl who dont even belong here or to line politicians pockets who want them here and THEY know who they are.

I mean Peter Griffin is right in the episode of stewies birthday party when he brought in the circus he said "look lois the 2 signs of the republican party, an elephant and white guy threatend by chage"LOL as hiliraious as that is its true we r threatend by change but what makes me really sick is that democrats dont see that as a problem.This is a problem the WHOLE COUNTRY will have to address not just one side. I see and understand that everyone deserves a fair chance at a decent life and everyone should have acceptable living conditions but why cant the democrats stop buying into these ppls misfortunes for votes or lining their pockets.

[The_Hushed_Casket]

Listen man i dont wish death upon anyone, You took my post out of its context.I simply stated a fact thats sending these ppl back would cost more then the some odd 11 million bullets it could require to end the problem cost effectively.Trust me the only ppl i wish death upon are criminals and im sorry if you mistook what i said.

I'm glad that you didn't mean what you said, but honestly, what did I take out of context? You said:

i personally wont stop until every last one of them is either sent back or murdered i dont really care which one

Not much room for misunderstanding there.

[Warbandit mk 3]

Im not racist either but they let us rot in their jails if we dont have A. A passport whilst we r there and B. if we arent a citizen or with some red cross aid organization. C'mon now its bad enough they take MY jobs and that they do a really horrible job at it. Now b/c of all the immigration and such jobs that required NO certification or Licensing will now require those things and at whose expense MINE and who will that money goto. To either social programs to assist ppl who dont even belong here or to line politicians pockets who want them here and THEY know who they are.

I mean Peter Griffin is right in the episode of stewies birthday party when he brought in the circus he said "look lois the 2 signs of the republican party, an elephant and white guy threatend by chage"LOL as hiliraious as that is its true we r threatend by change but what makes me really sick is that democrats dont see that as a problem.This is a problem the WHOLE COUNTRY will have to address not just one side. I see and understand that everyone deserves a fair chance at a decent life and everyone should have acceptable living conditions but why cant the democrats stop buying into these ppls misfortunes for votes or lining their pockets.

The democrats believe in peaceful sollutions and they are trying to make it so people from other countries will become Democrats. These people don't address problems, if Osama Binladen attacked us or killed millions of people, and Bill Clinton was president, he would do nothing but sit there and give him things. Kinda like what the communists did in World War I, except the Democrats are not commies.

They are somewhat gullible too, while the Mexican kids go around betraying us by supporting this offense against our nation, the Democrats everywhere (including congress, and the white house.) betrayus also by supporting illeagal immigration also!

What do you call this? Communism? Nope. Facism? No. Betrayal? Bingo.

EDIT: Jks, Mexico has been around for hundreds of years, they have had plenty of time to fix themselves. I think the rise in Immigration from their country is a symbol of them gettin sick of poverty, I've been to Mexico, I've seen the suffering.

[hellknight]

Listen man i dont wish death upon anyone, You took my post out of its context.I simply stated a fact thats sending these ppl back would cost more then the some odd 11 million bullets it could require to end the problem cost effectively.Trust me the only ppl i wish death upon are criminals and im sorry if you mistook what i said.

I'm glad that you didn't mean what you said, but honestly, what did I take out of context? You said:

i personally wont stop until every last one of them is either sent back or murdered i dont really care which one

Not much room for misunderstanding there.

Well seriously there isnt much i could do with the second choice i mentioned. However sending them back maybe i could by not voting for hilary clinton next election or for anyother democrat. Bush seriously did poorly on some issues however this one is a fricken joke hopefully our next president will send them back.

[jks]

EDIT: Jks, Mexico has been around for hundreds of years, they have had plenty of time to fix themselves. I think the rise in Immigration from their country is a symbol of them gettin sick of poverty, I've been to Mexico, I've seen the suffering.

Ummm what? I didn't say anything to the contrary, we need to help the source, not the problem.

[Cuda]

well they, surprisingly have an illegal immigration proble too. No where near the scale of the Mexico->U.S. Problem, but if you read my post above, they got Guatemalans flooding mexico. I've showed an example of how they can fix it, by having the kids come here illegally, take the education they've stolen on the befalf of the American taxpayer, go back, and apply it. I know Rome wasn't Built in a day, but if they did this, it could be done. If our forefathers (NOT THE SPANIARDS DOWN SOUTH WITH THE SMALLPOX BLANKETS, T_H_C!!)could do it from nothing in 200 years, Mexico can use what they got now and make it work in 50-100 years tops.

[hellknight]

Yeh i think thats the saddest thing with this whole issue is that the smart mexicans are leaving and getting smarter here but they dont apply where it counts also alot of mexicans send the money they make back to mexico b/c our money is worth more then most things in mexico. Money doenst help at all education and social establishments that better the educational, moral and social living conditions do. We shouldnt use the red cross the mexican ppl should make their own organization that can help themselves, Not just line the presidents pocket. Another thing that saddens me about this whole issue is that most of the mexican population are so diluted to their plight granted their president wants it that way. I think if anything we should drop fliers and shit like we did b4 we went full scale into iraq i mean most americans now a days can speak spanish so something like that with a few volunteers wouldnt cost much and it may be better then what were are trying to do now.

[Cuda]

well, we're not trying to start a propaganda war, opr prepping for a full scale invasion of a country here. Its just immigration.

Money doenst help at all education and social establishments that better the educational, moral and social living conditions do.

absolutely untrue. Money pays for tools FOR education. Money pays for social establishments and increases Moral a social living condition. They lack it, the Policia and other government officials have the big corporations and/or themselves in interest, So they turn a blind eye to taxes and penalties.

They send money back to their home country hoping to make a better living for them For example, 1 USD=about 10-11 Pesos. I see a lot of exploitation of this in my neighborhood. We have a high mexican population in West Long Beach. Down the street is a known hub of illegals and has been there for some years, acually long enough that some buisnesses have caught on by selling Rental gardening equiptment and a Western Union that would send the money in Pesos back to mexico. So yes money is the backbone for a successful country.

Mexico needs money. they dont have it, so they are a poor 3rd world country. No one willing to make things better, just to run away from it all. Of course big buisnesses that do a lot of manufacturing have outsourced a lot of jobs to mexico, like some car companies. Which do help, but its too few and too many needs.

[JK-47]

Actually cuda, mexico is sitting on a goldmine, they own a 4th of the worlds oil, their government is just corrupt, proof of this is one thing they dont allow citizens to own guns because they will rise up.

Anyways, heres my take on it, again, BUT with a different point of view.

First off, look at how many illegals showed up to a rally in Utah today:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=188619

I was in that rally, and it was completely terrible, the illegals have a bad attitude, they flip us off, they throw stuff at us, hell, a brawl almost started just because a girl threw something at some minute men, and the leader grabbed her on the back pressure points and gave her to the cops. People had to be held back by friends so they wouldnt start beating people up, the media says otherwise, they say it was peaceful.

People tried to break through swat to get at me and the anti-amnesty group i was with, which was probably only 80 of us, 80 vs 25 to 27,000 illegals and about half a quarter of them were white/black people who support illegal immigration.
Are these the people you want in the country? Even if they are just trying to support our families, do you actually know how much they are hurting Americas economy? And dont base your facts on the news because the rally report i posted is totally false, they say it was peaceful but it wasnt.
While we were marching back down to the place we started at, illegals stayed on the sidewalks just anxious to jump us, they blew wistles when we tried to tell them the facts. They are hurting our economy "Get legal or get out!" is one of the comments I and others said, along with "No Amnesty!"

They waved thier american flags donated by LDS Churches and other groups, because they are almost nothing without illegals. The illegals said "USA" to counter use what we are saying which was "USA!", before we started saying "USA!" they were screaming "VIVA LA MEXICO!"
There was also a level of disrespect to the police force from the illegals and illegal supporters.

Anyways, im with the minute men, i am in the anti-amnesty group. I am not against immigration, but i am against illegal immigration. And dont say "Well its hard to get papers to come into America". You know, the fact of the truth is, it is so hard to get the papers is because all of the illegals are pushing though, making it harder to get papers, and are making the wait time increase even more. And like i said i am not racist, these rallys with the anti-amnesty groups are not about racism, they are held for the better future of the country of America.

One of the coolest things i liked about today was one of the minute men waving a flag in front of the huge sea of illegals, the flag that says "Dont Tread on Me", Another thing would be that i actually took part in this while most sit at home, and watch the news's take on it, or just think they know everything about immigration and the numbers and blah blah blah just because of media.

Everyone at some point of time has to loose thier crutch and get a backbone, its about time America does the same thing and looses the illegals.

Utah Minute Man Mission
"Our mission is to secure our homeland from illegal alien entrants and move towards re-establishing the rule of law regarding immigration.
We are working to stop, modify or repeal laws that benefit illegal aliens in Utah."