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wow thats worse than my posting skills. Cruel too.......
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Rockymods wrote:The death penalty is never the way to punish someone. The ones that recieve this do not get what they deserve. Ok they're dead. Great. But punishment through a hardcore jail is more deserving, it really depends what jail though because some aren't that bad. The other side to this is that then we pay for their wrong doing by them being housed in the jails so it's a hard debate to go about..
I agree with you, to some extent.
Jail and prison are hardly punishment. There's a man in the city where I live that purposely puts himself in jail every winter because it's BETTER THAN BEING HOMELESS. Free television, ability to get a degree, work out, free food and shelter, sports, I hardly call this punishment. However, this is a discussion for another place and another time. If you would like to discuss this, I'd be more than happy to.
And there's no need to say "Then why did you bother saying this?".

I realize that there is an obvious issue with what's going on here, but did anyone ever consider that, possibly, the man ran into financial issues and was unable to feed or sell the animals?

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone animal cruelty by any means. If this was sheer neglect, then severe punishment should be administered.
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Jail is only partly for punishment, it's real purpose is to keep the individual from society.
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I really dont understand any of you who think that this is just something to brush off, I'm no animal rights activist, But I dont think that its right to starve them, At least take them some where to be free and you dont have to worry about it. Thats disgusting what he did, im not only angry at what this bitch did, Im also very sad for the horses, those animals are amazing and it really hurts to see that someone can even nerve to do this.

And for the people who are laughing about this situation or treating it as if it was nothing. Thank you for contributing to the proof that says the human race fails.
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The Universe is similar to a cell.
The Galaxies within are similar to molecules that make up that cell.
Each Solar System is similar to an atom which makes up the molecules.
Humans are cancer destroying everything by using it all up and spreading, eventually to other parts of the Atom and then eventually taking over the whole cell.
Don't be.
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Yamagushi wrote:The Universe is similar to a cell.
The Galaxies within are similar to molecules that make up that cell.
Each Solar System is similar to an atom which makes up the molecules.
Humans are cancer destroying everything by using it all up and spreading, eventually to other parts of the Atom and then eventually taking over the whole cell.
You do understand you are a part of that cancer...

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Cuda wrote:He should be charged at the full extent of the law!
That'll be a criminal record in this country, and prehaps a 10000 bugillion pound fine. What happens?
The person goes broke.
That's it. They don't get punished at all. It's all just fines in this country. Did you know you can get fined for dropping litter? Rant...
My Comment was mocking the previous statements filled with hate and malice against the person guilty. My statement is probably the only concrete thing that is going to happen to him anyways. So you can dismember, gut, and mutilate the guy all you want in fantasyland, I'll stay out here and think realistically. If fines, and a slap on the hand is all he gets, oh well. theres nothing you can do about it, unless you're going to be the nutjob that has a great idea to serve justice and happen to be in possession of a gun to execute your task with, by all means, go on ahead. While you're at it, staple one of these on your chest and do justice right. I'm not going to stop you.
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Cuda wrote:
Yamagushi wrote:The Universe is similar to a cell.
The Galaxies within are similar to molecules that make up that cell.
Each Solar System is similar to an atom which makes up the molecules.
Humans are cancer destroying everything by using it all up and spreading, eventually to other parts of the Atom and then eventually taking over the whole cell.
You do understand you are a part of that cancer...
I guess his point is he realizes it, so it somehow makes it better.
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Human is an animal with inteligence and sometimes the animal part come back...
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This thread: tl;dr.

Killing horses is wrong.
Killing people is more expensive than leaving them in jail.
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Killing people the "humane" way more so. I still personally we should unleash them in Australia so Scotty can play twisted games with involving crazed Dingos. However I do agree that this topic is kind of done with. It's not discussion, more so rants and people telling other people their morals aren't good enough.
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WTF is wrong...

Just think about what a lot of people said, horses shouldn't be killed because they'r pretty?

Doesn't make sense, look what you eat, there are pigs, cows etc that are killed each second on this world :? and those suffer too.

But yes doesn't make sense to let those horses die, all animals should be free but we need to survive somehow.
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neodos wrote:and those suffer too.
The industry has become quite efficient. They don't feel a thing.
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Munsie wrote:
neodos wrote:and those suffer too.
The industry has become quite efficient. They don't feel a thing.
I beg to differ.
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neodos wrote:WTF is wrong...

Just think about what a lot of people said, horses shouldn't be killed because they'r pretty?

Doesn't make sense, look what you eat, there are pigs, cows etc that are killed each second on this world :? and those suffer too.

But yes doesn't make sense to let those horses die, all animals should be free but we need to survive somehow.
im becoming a vegitarian just to prove you wrong lol j/k but yeah i understand that but thats live stock ya know, sure its still bad and i hate seeing animals suffer but come on, you know what if you kill a horse cause you had the intention of eating it then w/e more power to you, but this man didnt he starved them to death and that cruel so your crossing to very fine points.
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Philly wrote:
Cuda wrote:He should be charged at the full extent of the law!
That'll be a criminal record in this country, and prehaps a 10000 bugillion pound fine. What happens?
The person goes broke.
That's it. They don't get punished at all. It's all just fines in this country. Did you know you can get fined for dropping litter? Rant...
I think you should actually try studying our legal system and actually understanding it before you make ridiculous and unfounded statements like that. We have one of the best legal systems in the world.

And to whoever said killing people is more expensive than paying for food, heating and electricity keeping them alive for their whole lives, please explain how.

I don't quite think many of you grasp the way the justice system works. People don't get imprisoned just for revenge for what they've done, people are put in jail to protect society so they can't repeat their dangerous acts.
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My statement wasn't that far off, you know. :?
We recently had some beer stolen from our house, nothing too serious. The thief, who I saw and knew, was arrested and given a criminal record. Did we get our beer back? Of course not. People have the nerve to call this 'justice'.

And apparantly, going through all the legal procedures to kill someone takes a lot of time and money.
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iGeo wrote:And to whoever said killing people is more expensive than paying for food, heating and electricity keeping them alive for their whole lives, please explain how.
My law teacher went over it with us briefly last year. I don't remember the cost to keep them alive in jail for 25 years, but it ends up being less than the cost for all the judges, lawyers, appeal expenses, etc etc. I'll see if I can grab those numbers for you tomorrow, mb.
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Philly wrote:My statement wasn't that far off, you know. :?
We recently had some beer stolen from our house, nothing too serious. The thief, who I saw and knew, was arrested and given a criminal record. Did we get our beer back? Of course not. People have the nerve to call this 'justice'.

And apparantly, going through all the legal procedures to kill someone takes a lot of time and money.
I don't quite think you're aware of the implications having a permanent criminal record can have on your life.

What did you want to happen to someone that stole some beers? A 10 year custodial sentence?
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No, I wanted the beer back.
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...then take it to the courts, getting compensated for losses or damages is a civil matter, not a criminal one.

Please just stop, you're insulting me.
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