Goth

[Dissolution241]

Well I heard, I heard that, well, if you get bitten by one of those goths that well you turn into a vampire, well thats what I heard.

[JK-47]

Well I heard, I heard that, well, if you get bitten by one of those goths that well you turn into a vampire, well thats what I heard.

I heard that's one of the dumbest things I've heard today.
But thats just me.

[Ombre]

I react to heavy use of goth clothing the same way I do when I see some overweight guy/girl wearing tiny exercise shorts, and a orange tee-shirt two sizes too small. It has nothing to do with whether I think the person is satanic or not, I just don't like how it looks.

[Dr.Cox]

Basic Definition
Gothic

[Cuda]

There is a True basic and simplified Definition of a goth. Goths are a giant Cluster**** of Nomadic Barbarian tribes from Germany and one of the many tribes and people that led to the downfall of the Romans.

The Fashion fuckers, the modern "goths", are a bunch of attention whores who wear chains, leather, and a bunch of other bullshit people don't wear to scare the fuck out of the common folk. They like to play make believe and say they're emotionally scarred, and go on rampant tirades on how they are misjudged, when all they do is preach the latest shit band that preaches the "subculture." Basically, one big circle jerk of emos with the actual balls to do anything about anything. They play their music a little faster, a little louder, and a little bit less understandable. They love to get piercings to show off that they're hardcore, and draw pentagrams on every little thing they can find. The best place to avoid goths is the Airport, seeing how they can't get every little piercing, chain, spike, and stud out of their many crevasses to get through the metal detectors and then get declared "Terrists."

[Dr.Cox]

There is a True basic and simplified Definition of a goth. Goths are a giant Cluster**** of Nomadic Barbarian tribes from Germany and one of the many tribes and people that led to the downfall of the Romans.

The Fashion ***, the modern "goths", are a bunch of attention whores who wear chains, leather, and a bunch of other *** people don't wear to scare the *** out of the common folk. They like to play make believe and say they're emotionally scarred, and go on rampant tirades on how they are misjudged, when all they do is preach the latest **** band that preaches the "subculture." Basically, one big circle jerk of emos with the actual balls to do anything about anything. They play their music a little faster, a little louder, and a little bit less understandable. They love to get piercings to show off that they're hardcore, and draw pentagrams on every little thing they can find. The best place to avoid goths is the Airport, seeing how they can't get every little piercing, chain, spike, and stud out of their many crevasses to get through the metal detectors and then get declared "Terrists."

Here ya go Cuda.


A member of an East Germanic people (see under Germanic) who invaded various parts of the Roman Empire between the third and fifth centuries.

Anglo-Saxon plural Gotan.

[warlord]

Cuda i don't know what goth's are like over there but none of the goths i know are anywhere near like that.
Sure one of my good friend's has a few ear piercings and such but i see it as her way of showing her independence a few people disagree with her but to be completely honest i like the fact that she's at least making her self unique from others.
If you seriously object to what people do i suggest you look at yourself and think what people may object to you about.
i have a sarcastic sense of humor people object to that so what i wouldn't give a pig's ear about it as a i seriously don't care.
Those who are serious about how they want to be dressed and look like should be happy as is just because you don't agree doesn't mean they should just give up.
In fact i might just go out and buy a large spiked steel chain later and start wearing it just to wind you up.

[SHOUTrvb]

a biker is roughly an elder version of a goth anyway.

How?

When I said "roughly", I meant very roughly, but with some comparison. Mostly in how they dress (Black, chains, et cetera). They don't cut themselves and right suicidal poems, but they still have that rebel personality.

[XBC-Requiem]

Wow. I leave for the weekend (I had drill on post all weekend), and the topic explodes like this.
Dang.
Left for some good reading, though.

Okay, here goes. I've a lot to say.

Why is it "wrong" or "bad"?

It just is.

Okay. I've had an argument about the Bible once. I mentioned that in one spot, Hell is described as an eternal inferno, and in another, it is described as nothingness. How can it be both?
"Oh, we as humans just don't understand."
"It just is" has zero justification whatsoever. It's like I'm having that argument all over again.

If you don't want to be treated differently, don't dress so differently.

A "ghetto" kid (Sorry for offending anyone, I'm not sure what term to use here) dresses differently from a jock or from a prep. They are completely different styles of dress. Hell, poor kids and rich kids dress differently on a large scale, too, but they are no different from one another.
Not only that, I never said that I didn't want to be treated differently. In fact, I couldn't really care how I am treated, so long as I am shown the same respect that I give.

There is a ... get declared "Terrists."

You've never met more than maybe two "gothic" people in your life before, I'm guessing.
And I've never heard of "Terrists" before. Personally, I get through the airport just fine. So do many other "goths". Would you like to know why? Because we have other clothes, smart guy.
Oh, and I'll bet you have NO clue what a pentagram actually represents. If you'd like to get technical, the pentagram is originally of Christian design.


I'm glad to see that more people are joining in with this discussion.

[noxiousraccoon]

Glad to see your back. So Ill ask again, if the people dont accept you and its not worth your time, what is the purpose of this thread?

[ScottyGEE]

Oh, and I'll bet you have NO clue what a pentagram actually represents. If you'd like to get technical, the pentagram is originally of Christian design.

It was used by christians but wasn't originally christian design...Sure they used it for the 5 wounds of christ and the star of Bethlehem, but it was seen much earlier than that.

[Cuda]

There is a ... get declared "Terrists."

You've never met more than maybe two "gothic" people in your life before, I'm guessing.
And I've never heard of "Terrists" before. Personally, I get through the airport just fine. So do many other "goths". Would you like to know why? Because we have other clothes, smart guy.
Oh, and I'll bet you have NO clue what a pentagram actually represents. If you'd like to get technical, the pentagram is originally of Christian design.

Well, you guessed wrong. I have maet many goths, gone to underground shows in areas of long Beach, and used to hang out with Punks and goths. They were all superficial. All did it for the fashion and had no pull behind the chains and piercings. I saw that was a reoccurring thing, from town to town I went, I saw. They were all fucking fakes. The "Terrist" was a pun at airport security, and I've seen a goth get stopped at LAX and it was probably the funniest shit I've ever seen. First the shoes. Then the Rosaries and chain. Then all the studs in the ears, nose and lip. scanned about three times before the TSA person took him aside into the little windowless booth off to the side.

I've seen the stupid little goth fucks that think it's cool to set all of the locker numbers to 6. because "omg 666 is teh devilz." The Pentagrams I saw these "Goths" carve into their arm with a compass was for sure not Christian. The flipped double ringed Pentagram is not the Christian symbol. Not only does the Pentagram have Christian backgrounds, but it has a stronger usage in Satanism.

To be honest, the key reason I dislike them is the fact that they are fake. People who do it for the fashion and people that want to stand out and the only way they can think of doing it is the needed attention. They like the awkward looks people give them and the fact that people tend to shy away from them. But in the end the whole deal is a stupid fucking joke.

[warlord]

Cuda you do realize "satanism" doe's not mean they worship satan right?
its all about being confident with your self and believing there is no god nor is there some holy entity most "satanists" worship their own birthday their own being not some person they'll never meet nor know much on.
i know somone whos got the satanic bible and it has NOTHING to do with Satan all to do with self respect and other things like that.

[SHOUTrvb]

Believe it or not, there's probably more people who believe in a "satan" (Lucifer) than there are who believe in God (Iehouah). Nearly everything satanic can be linked with at least 'something' Christian related; simply because satanism spawned from Christianity. Also, it's not even about them worshiping Satan at all, it's that they wish to appear as if they of a darker nature. Naturally, what better way to achieve a look of darkness than by sporting the Prince of Evil, eh? They may not get down on their knees and pray to Lucifer every night, but what they do, how they act, and sometimes how they dress, though they might not realize it nor intend to, is still a form of worship.

[DWells55]

Here's my question: why bother dressing like that? It's just a bunch of extra effort for nothing. There's nothing wrong with normal socially acceptable clothing. There's no need to alienate yourself from the rest of the population. There's a lot of goth/emo kids that are really creepy, so dressing like that is going to make people think that way about you. Yeah, it's an unfair judgment, but it's also human nature for the most part.

Why do women bother spending as much time on themselves as they do? Because they choose to. Its not all about being like everyone else, maybe some people like their style, and they don't care if other people like it. Other people have their style because they like it. So why can't Goths?

Women do it to look good, to look appealing to people. Yes, it allows some self-expression and style too. Goths know their make up is going to scare people away and make people look down on them. I never said they can't do it - I don't care how they choose to look. But don't complain when no one wants to talk to you or listen to what you have to say. You might be a good person and have something really insightful to share, but it's human nature to allow appearance to be influential on people's opinions of others.

If you went back in time a fair bit, people would think your crazy for dressing the way you do. Large amounts of people dressing a new unique way makes new styles and trends. If people just tried to be like everyone else, nothing would change, maybe nothing should change, but maybe some want it to. Or maybe some just want to live their lives.

Yeah, they might think I'm crazy. But I don't think it'd be necessarily scary. I don't think I'd be scared by whatever the fashion trends of the future are. You act as if goths are trend setters and fashion artists. I fail to see how making yourself look dead and wearing clothing devoid of color and full of useless chains and other accessories is fashion, especially when it only fits into the clique of goth "fashion." They're not being like mainstream society, but they're being like goth society. Congratulations, you've made yourself physically different than most while still falling into a different large group of people who look the same. Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed ot dress the way they do. But understand that it will draw the judgment of others whether you like or understand that.

Today's society is all about fitting in, being like everyone else. If your like borat running around, people would not take you too seriously, you have to be this way, or this way, women need these body curves and need to be skinny. They can't be themselves as much as they want to, without feeling alienated.

Society is hardly about being like everyone else. People are always looking for something unique that will get them attention - just look at Hollywood and how people try to make names for themselves. Yes there's common trends, but this is generally because it's something that's universally (or at least largely) appealing and therefore makes sense. The whole notion of conformism is completely overblown and often used as an example by goths. You don't have to be any specific way, but there are things that are more commonly accepted. People tend to treat society as if it's this awful invisible god controlling how we act, but they fail to realize that society is something that we have created. Society is the result of what is common and well-received by people as a whole. Obviously the media and business have a share in shaping this, but in the end it's what is ultimately accepted by the majority. Women don't "need" to be skinny, but men often find thinner women to be more attractive. As such, thinness is something that's preferred in society. I believe that it's been taken too far and people have become unfortunately obsessed over it (there are a lot of people who are far too thin to a point where it becomes sickly looking and unattractive).

If the world was more loose it would be a better place. In conclusion Dwells, I totally think your statement about alienation is bogus. Why not loosen up society, let people be more free? Let them be the way they would like to be? Why must they fit in to the way other people want them to be.

Yeah, the world probably would be a better place without any sort of physical judgment. But it's never going to happen. Even in some perfect utopian society, it just isn't going to happen. It's human nature to judge by appearance at least to some degree. I'm not saying it's a good thing to be stereotypical or shallow, but it's ultimately natural and is going to happen no matter what. So deal with it. If you want to be different or goth or whatever, go for it - that's your choice to make. But understand that no one is required to accept you and it's likely they won't. It's well-known that goths are often alienated and not respected because of their choices in appearance. So if you're choosing to be goth, then you better be willing to accept that. You're choosing to alienate yourself.

The same thing goes on, and other people make you feel bad for being yourself. Just keep the style you want, as long as you don't get into trouble.

Similar to what I've been saying - choose as you will, but understand what comes with it. As nice as it can be to act so idealistic, that's not how things work or ever will work. We're humans. We naturally judge. We stereotype. We fear change and what's different and commonly don't like what we fear. Are these good things? No. But they're part of being human. Keep this in mind as you make your choices.


Sorry if I seem shallow. I don't consider myself a shallow person and I try to give everyone a fair chance. I don't have any problem with different races and I have friends of all different backgrounds. But I also consider myself as somewhat of a realist on this issue.

[Geo]

Someone summarise what he just said.

[DWells55]

It's not as bad as it looks, you should be able to get through it in under two minutes. Basically, I said that as great as it would be if we were all perfect and living in a non-judgmental society, it'll never happen, so act accordingly.

[auerhantheman1]

God (Iehouah).

That's a new one in my book./offtopic

DWells, while we may not be living in a perfect society, we can still try to make it that way, and if we don't succeed, well, we won't have made it any worse.(insert rant about how nobody cares, therefore the world goes to hell in a handbasket.)

[Tural]

You don't have the means to change the world, and it's not a perfect world, so you won't even be able to acquire those means. Devote your time to a cause within reach, as trying something impossible forever is a waste of resources that could go to something possible.

[theycallmechad]

My thoughts: I have yet to meet a "Goth" who doesn't complain that people always just judge them for what is on the outside. True, it may be shallow to pass judgment based on clothing, but if you're not dressing the way you TRULY are INSIDE, you're just lying to both yourself and everybody else. I will not judge you for how you dress, I'll judge you for not being honest to yourself. If you are honest, and inwardly you are the same as what we see on the outside, your INWARD self FREAKS ME OUT.

My conclusion: People dress "Goth" for attention (I also see this thread as a cry for attention).