I believe, that congressmen and women aren't evil (most of them) they are just under informed. They have to pay attention to the media and it's antics. They never get any good info because the media shields them and feeds them bullshit. And their jobs are at stake.
Say a congressman voted against a bill (let's say... the patriot act) he media would pounce on that particular congressman and into submission through constant false info/media coverage. All the media has to do is say:
'congressman voted against the bill, which would have tightened security all around the nation and given the police access to search homes without A warrant. The people of the nation are outraged and appaled.'
When none of it is true, and half of it is made up stuff to get attention.
GTA: San Andres taken off the shelfs
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The_Hushed_Casket
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I find it kind of stupid that a game where you can beat old women to death with brass knuckles and then steal their money gets an AO rating because of nudity. Shows you where our priorities are.
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Very true.The_Hushed_Casket wrote:I find it kind of stupid that a game where you can beat old women to death with brass knuckles and then steal there money gets an AO rating because of nudity. Shows you where our priorities are.
I think it's more the violence that is more of a problem than the sexuality.
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Colin Campbell
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The underlying problem with this whole situation is that Congress has started parenting America's children, not their parents. This is an incredibly sad situation not because a video game is getting an AO rating, but because America's government has further intruded into the lives of everyone, for bad or good.
The difference between an Adults Only rated video game (18 years of age or above) and a Mature rated video game (17 years of age or above) is small. When parents don't seem to get is that the difference between it is just that, small. What makes a mom run out to the store and buy a 12-year-old child Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but completely avoid buying the AO-rated San Andreas? There's another important thing to remember here, is that the user is responsible for the changes made to the game, not the companies (Take-Two and Rockstar) involved in this mess. A user cannot boot up a retail copy of San Andreas and play this minigame, its just not possible. This user must download the modified code, and he is responsible for the changes made. This is a loophole in the ratings system.
Another glaring problem with this whole thing is the political gold-diggers, so-to-speak. Lawyer Jack Thompson has been put in charge of the investigation led by Senator Clinton, among others. Jack Thompson is a one-sided, closed-minded man who personally insults those who do not share his ignorant views. Senator Clinton, whom is rumoured to be running for the 2008 Presidency, is definitely securing the right leaning members of her base with this crusade against violent video games. Often criticized for being very liberal, this is a very conservative move that will work to her advantage should she run for the presidency.
Video games will survive. Its about time parents woke up and stopped letting their kids play anything they wanted. The heightened awareness Hot Coffee has caused among parents is a cause for celebration, because finally (and hopefully) parents will start accepting their responsibility to protect their children from certain content, rather than letting them play anything they wanted. Some parents will completely rid games from their children's lives, but at least they're finally taken the proactive step of protecting their children the way they see fit, not the way the government sees it.
Of course the situation is blown out of proportion, that is what Washington politics is all about.
The difference between an Adults Only rated video game (18 years of age or above) and a Mature rated video game (17 years of age or above) is small. When parents don't seem to get is that the difference between it is just that, small. What makes a mom run out to the store and buy a 12-year-old child Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but completely avoid buying the AO-rated San Andreas? There's another important thing to remember here, is that the user is responsible for the changes made to the game, not the companies (Take-Two and Rockstar) involved in this mess. A user cannot boot up a retail copy of San Andreas and play this minigame, its just not possible. This user must download the modified code, and he is responsible for the changes made. This is a loophole in the ratings system.
Another glaring problem with this whole thing is the political gold-diggers, so-to-speak. Lawyer Jack Thompson has been put in charge of the investigation led by Senator Clinton, among others. Jack Thompson is a one-sided, closed-minded man who personally insults those who do not share his ignorant views. Senator Clinton, whom is rumoured to be running for the 2008 Presidency, is definitely securing the right leaning members of her base with this crusade against violent video games. Often criticized for being very liberal, this is a very conservative move that will work to her advantage should she run for the presidency.
Video games will survive. Its about time parents woke up and stopped letting their kids play anything they wanted. The heightened awareness Hot Coffee has caused among parents is a cause for celebration, because finally (and hopefully) parents will start accepting their responsibility to protect their children from certain content, rather than letting them play anything they wanted. Some parents will completely rid games from their children's lives, but at least they're finally taken the proactive step of protecting their children the way they see fit, not the way the government sees it.
Of course the situation is blown out of proportion, that is what Washington politics is all about.
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Hilary Cliton is the PERFECT example why a woman should NEVER be president. Theyre WAY too protective over younger people. And this hot coffee mod has been blown way out of proportion. There is nude mods and sex mods for almost every game out there today Including T and E Rated games. I think the government needed something to move on San Andreas. they wanted something to stop this game from being sold to teens. Conspiracy maybe??
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I would agree if that were so, however I believe something came out that on the PS2 version it is possible to enter a code on the retail version to unlock the minigame. And even if not, keeping something like that in the game was just arrogance and laziness on the part of Rockstar.Colin Campbell wrote:There's another important thing to remember here, is that the user is responsible for the changes made to the game, not the companies (Take-Two and Rockstar) involved in this mess. A user cannot boot up a retail copy of San Andreas and play this minigame, its just not possible. This user must download the modified code, and he is responsible for the changes made. This is a loophole in the ratings system.
And Spitfire666, saying that all women are too protective is an ignorant generalization. And while yes there are nude mods for many games, they're just that, mods, they're not in the original game content. The only one I can think of with content in the game is Dead or Alive 2 for dreamcast, and that's just in the intro. Like Colin said, it's not the fault of the publisher if these mods had to be activated by means of third party applications, but apperantly that's not the case with San Andreas, as I mentioned before.
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