Modding Illegal?

[gmjnoob]

it is illegal to copy the halo 2 disc, which most of us all have done

well i dont think its illegal unless your selling them for profit, or just giving the to other people for free, i think that its legal if you just have it for you own use, not giving to anybody else, like say your halo disc broke, you will have a backup to use

[*JP*]

Point proven, we all hold something illegal in our presence. If you mod halo you obviously have a modded box so no matter which way you want to look at it it's illegally done. So should we call our selfs Pirates, Hackers or wait wait I know "Modders" lol. I've been watching this post since teh topic started and it amazes me to see what I've seen, members going back and forth at each other. But any way it is illegal to what we do, that point was proven by Tural quite a few times through out this topic.

[XxPTLegitxX]

It's illegal. I know no one likes to be proved utterly wrong, but you need to accept that Tural has you on this one (and most likely will on anymore to come). Also, the car analogy fails as well, because certain modifications to a car *are* illegal. First think about the term "modification". To alter something's original state. By creating a profile in Halo, or installing a new map, I have "modified" my game, but I have done so on legal approved grounds set for that game. Then I go and rip the data from my disk, alter the maps and up the weapon damage, and change parts of it. I have just then violated my warranty, and any other right I had to owning the game. The statement was made that "we're buying the right to play someone else's game", and that is true. We didn't make the game, but the people who did were kind enough to share their creation with us as long as we payed their set fee and played by their rules. Just because you bought the game, doesn't mean the content is entirely yours.

[SHOUTrvb]

Si, which is why I don't understand why you care enough to try and justify your actions when no one (not even the creators of XBOX and Halo) care enough enough to hold you to them. Modding is illegal, but Halomods has kept it as clean as possible.

[Tural]

cn it b [/thread] tiem now

But really. Everything that needs to be said has been said. Every point about it being legal has been factually debunked, and we should all be clear on the legality of it now. (Unless you're obscenely ignorant or something, and still think it's legal for some bizarre reason. =x)

[W00g3rB00g3r]

No, not every point, I really think it isn't illegal, even people that are on the other site where the above post where I partially agreed, researched, and then said I was right (from 7S, down at the moment though for server updates) but we buy the right to do whatever we want, do you know how easy you would get shut down for it if it was? Like I said, a simple google and then report!

AND

If it was illegal, when some retards think they can call in and get that unban thing if they say, oh my bro...blahblahblah, right off the bat, they would say it was illegal and discuss more on that then anything...

Really...the pro illegal side has only given their opinion while I have even gone and posted a link to solid evidence, the desc. of the DMCA law, you bring me a link of a law or from bungie or from ms or from xbox saying it is illegal and not just against their Live TOS and I will prolly be pursuaded then...

[preston566]

So what we're saying is, the constant hiding, and modding since my start in 2001, was all for naught?

[OwnZ joO]

ok but as i said... modiing in general to ur xbox. a mod is considerd in my point as "cutting a cable inside" isnt illegal.

but as i said before EVERY dashboard is illegal. yes not only does it circumvent the protection but as well ALL ARE MADE illegally. every one of them.

What about opendash or w/e? Made with openXDK, so that's a legal dashboard... Modding is still illegal, I'm just pointing out that you really don't know what you're talking about.

even people that are on the other site where the above post where I partially agreed, researched, and then said I was right

OK, 7S is not that good of a source

but we buy the right to do whatever we want

Wow, no, you buy the right to do whatever you want on their terms, which means no modifying it.

do you know how easy you would get shut down for it if it was? Like I said, a simple google and then report!

Like other people have stated, they would lose more money with their high priced lawyers shutting us down, than just letting small sites that aren't causing big problems(non-hacking or premodded box sites) just continue.

If it was illegal, when some retards think they can call in and get that unban thing if they say, oh my bro...blahblahblah

Because like you said they have lower intelligence, and they don't discuss it because bungie doesn't seem to care that people mod their game(they care about xbl), but in the terms of use, they are required by microsoft to say that you can't mod, that's my guess why they only ban accounts when you get caught modding.

Really...the pro illegal side has only given their opinion while I have even gone and posted a link to solid evidence, the desc. of the DMCA law, you bring me a link of a law or from bungie or from ms or from xbox saying it is illegal and not just against their Live TOS and I will prolly be pursuaded then...

Just wow, we only give you our opinion, but you did research? Looking for posts to support your claims on 7S does not make you have "facts", they're not a credible site, being on the internet does not make it a fact.
Why don't you just google DMCA and look it up for yourself?

[WaywornMmmmm]

[...]I really think it isn't illegal[...]

Ignoring a law doesn't make it any less lawful.

[Tural]

Really...the pro illegal side has only given their opinion while I have even gone and posted a link to solid evidence, the desc. of the DMCA law, you bring me a link of a law or from bungie or from ms or from xbox saying it is illegal and not just against their Live TOS and I will prolly be pursuaded then...

ROFL

That is the absolute worst, most horrible argument I have ever heard in my entire life.

1) I gave you factual evidence. You ignored it and claimed it doesn't exist.
2) You posted a link while directly misquoting information to make it look like you were right. I factually debunked that, you ignored it completely.
3) Bungie, Microsoft, and Xbox doesn't make laws. Shocking, I know.


Jesus Christ man, get over it. It is illegal. That's it. That's all there fucking is to it. It's illegal. Fact. Not opinion. You are extremely arrogant, as well as clearly ignorant of every single piece of evidence that's been shoved in your face. Holy crap. I can't even begin to imagine how you can't comprehend this. I'm so close to locking this thread based on the fact that you just keep bumping it with worthless posts that do nothing but attack your opposition with absolutely no evidence at all, ever. God.

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[Sgt.Peppers]

K Tural won.

[Tural]

You want your proof? Here it is. Straight from the official DMCA document.

Section 103 of the DMCA adds a new chapter 12 to Title 17 of the U.S. Code. New section 1201 implements the obligation to provide adequate and effective protection against circumvention of technological measures used by copyright owners to protect their works.

That makes it illegal to bypass access controls. The console and game are both using access controls (Xbox prevents execution of games from the hard drive or burned discs, the game uses map signatures to prevent modification of maps. You bypass both of these when modding.) It's illegal to mod the game, and it's illegal to mod the console.

Game over. You lost.

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

[P8ntballer24]

Its legal, cause i said so.

[Tural]

no u

You lose! Good day, sir!

[latinomodder]

wow...he just got owned...

Tural has a point there are many illegal things about modding halo 2, first off seeing how it needs to run off the hard rive with a modded dash that was compiled with xdk (and no OpenXdK doesnt work since it can launch xbe's at the present moment). Then theres the whole DMCA law...

[P8ntballer24]

no u

You lose! Good day, sir!

NO U

Anways back on topic, here shows that modding is legal!

[*JP*]

Wow, that's all I have to say.

Oh wait there is one more thing ITS ILLEGAL. It has been proven so many times, why do you think when people first started modding the xbox no one would say a word about it. there was a glitch in a couple of the games made (SC) being one of the most popular, obviously running Linux (palm) which allowed a couple of hackers/programmers to find away into the system to manipulate it, thus we have modded xbox's. If you could reach one of the guys who found this glitch in the system(it was a group of 6-8 people) they would also tell you it is illegal but I'm 100% sure that they would never admit to it because there was a big deal with it when it first started happening(modding that is) Because it's Illegal proven to everyone that thinks it's legal a good 6 or 7 times in this topic.

[G.I.R.]

no u

You lose! Good day, sir!

NO U

Anways back on topic, here shows that modding is legal!

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, Rick Roll'd. >_<

[Meatwad068]

it is illegal to open your xbox... it is not illegal to soft mod it because you dont not open it, flashing your bios is illegal. making a copy of halo 2 is illegal unless you own a copy of the game. and it is not illegal to mod halo maps because you bought the game, and the new maps are now free but you have to dl them from xbox live first otherwise it is illegal.
and its illegal to change your firmware.

[Tural]

Section 103 of the DMCA adds a new chapter 12 to Title 17 of the U.S. Code. New section 1201 implements the obligation to provide adequate and effective protection against circumvention of technological measures used by copyright owners to protect their works.

That makes it illegal to bypass access controls. The console and game are both using access controls (Xbox prevents execution of games from the hard drive or burned discs, the game uses map signatures to prevent modification of maps. You bypass both of these when modding.) It's illegal to mod the game, and it's illegal to mod the console.