Ok I've read the FAQ but I have far to many suggestions. And a lot fo this can be considered a great challenge for the lot of you.
Modify Single Player Maps for Single Player Purposes, Including Design, Mission, AI enemies and allies, AI scripts, Save Points, Load Points, Environmental/Situtainal Dynamic Music (not sure if thats the term).
Modify the Pelican Model to have rockets and a chin cannon, rockets controled by the Pelican Pilot, Chin by a secondary pilot. Rear gunner optional however, and the float/vstol logic with auto leveling when not moving.
Reskin Master Chief with a Marine's.
Create the Shadow the warthog of the covies.
Create a Shark, A PT boat with seating for 6, 1 Pilot, 1 gunner, and 4 passengers, Extra weapon could be torpedos, (basically an underwater tank cannon that is fixed position)
If parts of viechles can be made by cut/paste for the model. This would have turrent from the warthog, and pelican seats for the other parts. Look for the concept drawing from the bungie site for inspiration. The rocket launcher version could be called a hammerhead.
(will replace the hogs)
Then a map which features a very deep ocean and two Islands (all edges into it must be smooth or non existent for 'drowning'.
Import the Single player Tank into Multiplayer (there is a difference)
Give the Tank, Warhog pilot setup, one pilot and one gunner. The single player tank can be modified to have to cockpits hopefully.
Using the turrent mod, create one of those cannons at the base from The Flood novel. Top part of the tank with rotating barrels and homing shots.
Change Single Player day to night.
Create multiplayer elevators and Switch doors (I've never seen this done, but if it can be possible Got a great idea for a MP map modification.)
Possible to make gravity switched from the game and affect from different directions.
Light Bridges from the Single Player to Mutiplayer.
Timed switches
Have out of gamplay scripts.
Highly reflective glass.
Have mods affect only one Sp level at a time.
Use some of the unused in game scenes for SP (staging area in the beginnign of the game) as parts of maps.
Some of you may or can guess where I might be leading this.
Im no modder but...
Sorry for teh DP but this is another train of thought
Have the assault rifel with a grenade launcher as where the grenade button is pressed it will shoot the frag grenade intead of the rifel bullets or tossing one (one way to make a new weapon without replacing litterally).
stills requiers to fall.
Using the conceptual drawing of the brute gun model a plasma grenade launcher.
Make Pyro Grenades, basically instead of an explosion create a fireball and burns teh ground for a set time. (low priotity)
Rockets, grenades and explosions cases small fires.
Destroyable Viechles (all of them) in MP. In thoery the Respawn should create fresh ones if the old ones where destroyed. The reason why? Destroyale viechles do a better job protecting the crew unless they are destroyed.
Make medpacks a weapon projectile.
Create an AI logic that causes one beavior to purposly shoot allies but not realiate on that one shooter.
Create 'bounceware' armors on viechles or places in MP
Using Proxy logic from the doors create tossed mines with it give it grenade at rest logic but the trigger isn;t the timer but the proximity. (interesting concept, still low priority and a grenade replacement)
Give plasma shots needler bounce logic.
Use the timer in single player mission.
An infinet enemy generator, (The flood intoduction stage near the end featured this as well as the next ship stage where you jump from the ship into the coolant.)
Have the assault rifel with a grenade launcher as where the grenade button is pressed it will shoot the frag grenade intead of the rifel bullets or tossing one (one way to make a new weapon without replacing litterally).
stills requiers to fall.
Using the conceptual drawing of the brute gun model a plasma grenade launcher.
Make Pyro Grenades, basically instead of an explosion create a fireball and burns teh ground for a set time. (low priotity)
Rockets, grenades and explosions cases small fires.
Destroyable Viechles (all of them) in MP. In thoery the Respawn should create fresh ones if the old ones where destroyed. The reason why? Destroyale viechles do a better job protecting the crew unless they are destroyed.
Make medpacks a weapon projectile.
Create an AI logic that causes one beavior to purposly shoot allies but not realiate on that one shooter.
Create 'bounceware' armors on viechles or places in MP
Using Proxy logic from the doors create tossed mines with it give it grenade at rest logic but the trigger isn;t the timer but the proximity. (interesting concept, still low priority and a grenade replacement)
Give plasma shots needler bounce logic.
Use the timer in single player mission.
An infinet enemy generator, (The flood intoduction stage near the end featured this as well as the next ship stage where you jump from the ship into the coolant.)
You have some good and creative ideas, but unfortunatly most of them are almost impossible at this time, changing ai, effects, autoleveling, etc are all things that for to be able to make need new code in the game, we can change stuff in the game and all but alot of the things you are saying would be more like adding and making our own game in a way, some things right now could be done just not as u would see it, like we could change some of the models around and make it look like what u are talking about and change some projectiles around but we cant do things like add weapons to the pelican and stuff, they are good ideas and show signs of a good modder, so just keep the ideas flowing and try to bring some of them to life.
just do you know, any mod affects only that map, unless you're dealing with either the ui (ui.map), the bitmaps (bitmaps.map), or the sounds (sounds.map)...
just to note, most of the things youve said are impossible (like Beastman has said), like creating our own maps, etc, but some of the things you've said are quite possible, like a pyro grenade (mostly), and being able to shoot out health packs...
all in all I agree that you have some creative ideas, and I think you could be a great modder... I also think that you would be an awesome skinner...
just to note, most of the things youve said are impossible (like Beastman has said), like creating our own maps, etc, but some of the things you've said are quite possible, like a pyro grenade (mostly), and being able to shoot out health packs...
all in all I agree that you have some creative ideas, and I think you could be a great modder... I also think that you would be an awesome skinner...
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Erm... a lot of this is basically hardcoded into the .exe of the game, which we can't really touch legally. Basically all of that is...Modify Single Player Maps for Single Player Purposes, Including Design, Mission, AI enemies and allies, AI scripts, Save Points, Load Points, Environmental/Situtainal Dynamic Music (not sure if thats the term).
I'm not sure how model editing has progressed, but I'll tell ya, getting the rockets and the guns to shoot from the right positions on an edited model would indeed be a heck of a task. A rear gunner would be quite nice for those annoying Banshees that own these things once behind them (Thats why I play with no fall damage on. EJECT!)Modify the Pelican Model to have rockets and a chin cannon, rockets controled by the Pelican Pilot, Chin by a secondary pilot. Rear gunner optional however, and the float/vstol logic with auto leveling when not moving.
Not sure why, but it'd be very possible. Just swap some bitmap files.Reskin Master Chief with a Marine's.
Not sure what you're wanting to do here...Create the Shadow the warthog of the covies.
Umm... Underwater Gulch has a shark made out of a Ghost in it... only a 1-seater though. Besides, we can't really add or remove seats, which is what you're asking to do is requiring.Create a Shark, A PT boat with seating for 6, 1 Pilot, 1 gunner, and 4 passengers, Extra weapon could be torpedos, (basically an underwater tank cannon that is fixed position)
If parts of viechles can be made by cut/paste for the model. This would have turrent from the warthog, and pelican seats for the other parts. Look for the concept drawing from the bungie site for inspiration. The rocket launcher version could be called a hammerhead.
(will replace the hogs)
Definently nice. Would be nice to do if we get the HEK sometime this century, hint hint MS.Then a map which features a very deep ocean and two Islands (all edges into it must be smooth or non existent for 'drowning'.
I didn't know there was a difference... whats the big change in it?Import the Single player Tank into Multiplayer (there is a difference)
Erm... theres 2 cockpits for the Scorpion, but one is just eye candy. You could easily make it so that one of the passengers manages the gun however. Takes the fun out of 1x1 MP Tank games though...Give the Tank, Warhog pilot setup, one pilot and one gunner. The single player tank can be modified to have to cockpits hopefully.
Never read the novel, but this idea sounds intersting. Would be nice for Anti-Banshee parties.Using the turrent mod, create one of those cannons at the base from The Flood novel. Top part of the tank with rotating barrels and homing shots.
Again, why?Change Single Player day to night.
I'd love this too, but this is probably hardcoded as well. People have tried, but came up with nothing.Create multiplayer elevators and Switch doors (I've never seen this done, but if it can be possible Got a great idea for a MP map modification.)
...like?Possible to make gravity switched from the game and affect from different directions.
I'll give $500 that I don't currently have to the first person to do this.Light Bridges from the Single Player to Mutiplayer.
May be possible... not sure, however.Timed switches
What?Have out of gamplay scripts.
All that'd let you see is yourself getting Meelee'd by that Elite behind you. lol...Highly reflective glass.
Just edit the individual map files for the SP levels. Problem solved.Have mods affect only one Sp level at a time.
I'd really like this as well!Use some of the unused in game scenes for SP (staging area in the beginnign of the game) as parts of maps.
Hmm... that'd be intersting... a dual projectile weapon... of course, you'll be able to fire 2 guns at once in Halo 2.Have the assault rifel with a grenade launcher as where the grenade button is pressed it will shoot the frag grenade intead of the rifel bullets or tossing one (one way to make a new weapon without replacing litterally).
stills requiers to fall.
Heh... that'd be funny. Give them to Grunts and see how long it'd take for them to kill themselves. lol...Using the conceptual drawing of the brute gun model a plasma grenade launcher.
Definently would be intersting... could use some of the coding for the Flamethrower effects so that the flame lingers around for awhile before dissapating.Make Pyro Grenades, basically instead of an explosion create a fireball and burns teh ground for a set time. (low priotity)
That'd be neat... use the crappily animated fires from SP somehow.Rockets, grenades and explosions cases small fires.
Would be quite nice in fact... Destroyable Banshees are possible, as are Ghosts, and Wraiths if they ever get ported to MP. Hogs and Scorpions (And pelicans) don't have destroyed versions, however. Image the Warthog run on the maw if your vehicle got destroyed. 1.) Impossible to complete, and 2.) Really long if you could complete it.Destroyable Viechles (all of them) in MP. In thoery the Respawn should create fresh ones if the old ones where destroyed. The reason why? Destroyale viechles do a better job protecting the crew unless they are destroyed.
[SS]SaveNDe was killed by a MedipackMake medpacks a weapon projectile.
XD... that'd be halarious... what kind of gun would shoot it however?
://AI edit [system.failure]/Create an AI logic that causes one beavior to purposly shoot allies but not realiate on that one shooter.
... ok... odd...Create 'bounceware' armors on viechles or places in MP
Umm... someone did this with something... mines that had a 3-5 minute wait until their detonation.Using Proxy logic from the doors create tossed mines with it give it grenade at rest logic but the trigger isn;t the timer but the proximity. (interesting concept, still low priority and a grenade replacement)
Don't they kind of already have that?Give plasma shots needler bounce logic.
What?Use the timer in single player mission.
*Holds another hundred up*An infinet enemy generator, (The flood intoduction stage near the end featured this as well as the next ship stage where you jump from the ship into the coolant.)
Explinations Finally
First off I do know there are limitations to programming based off other programs. But the halo physics engine is very powerful and has many variables. Also some of the weapons have introduced several new variables.
I currently dont know to about the actual programming itself but have enough understanding of the lingo to understand what is going on. I used to design games for a small venture I used to own few years back.
Well that a big bummer about being unable to entirely replace Single player missions.
But most of these Ideas where for an expansion pack like deal mabey the team that makes it give it to Bungie for consideration. Im sure we could ask also for permission for such endevor.
Few last questions Do companies evntually release the rights to exect files of old games?
Possible to make a multiplayer map a mission (scirpts, stuff the works)?
Do MC reskins replace colors or just the entire model?
This knocks out a lot of them for the moment.
For those who don't know what the shadow is its a LRV for the covenant similar to the warthog in creation for Halo 2, features a pilot, Shotgunner, and Tail gunner which features the shade turrent, (like the creep APCs).
Conceptual Drawings can be found at the offical website. This would require to reskin a warthog and give it the same driving properties of the ghost. This can spicen things up having a warthog vs. shadows.
Also for those who don't know the 'shark' (unoffical name but keeping with the theme here) was originally the invasion craft for the silent cartographer. Conceptual drawing can be found from teh offical website for the first game. It was a 4 or six I forgot fast boat with a gunner and pilot.
Also why can to buthcer parts of viechles and keep thier properites along with it. They did it with the turrent mods?
The 'Flood' Gultch was a nifty Idea for a MP map if the shark can exist. Just respawns for viechles should be a shorter time and teleporter can be the other option to get to the other island. As for water viechle graphics interation (noting from the Xbox version since I do not have a high end computer) there is effects going thorugh the water in a warthog.
Pelican, Im sure It can be done. Not perfectly and may take a massive amount of time, however from What I've read so far there is one armed pelican but very glitchy.
Marine reskin, = several missions playing as SOB SGT. Johnson but since we can't do that with single player missions oh well.
HEK? Some sort of program part that defines map variables? Or jsut a map editing tool?
The single player tank (look nextime when you play the assault on the control room) features and armored canopy that looks just like the unused cockpit side of the multiplayer tank. Which is where the idea of mirroring that animation of the open armor cockpit and use that as the gunners placement.
The elevaotrs, lightbrigdes, Doors and from the side gravity where going to Super Boarding Action where is not an open middle but a fight on the space ship with doors to suck players out of. This could be a very unique concept however the gravity must be tied into the door switch which I can imagine would be a nightmare to figure out.
Not ingame play scripts = cutscenes sorry for using bad terminology.
Mirrior like glasse =Crion fun house.
The Heavy Assault Rifel would sould also very hard to do, it will require new animations of cheifs hands cocking back the grenade launcher part like a shotgun.
Destoryable viechles mod was for Multiplayer only though.
I do belive there is a destroyed warthog on the Maw level. No scoprions though which will required a detroyed animation which can be out of our league right now.
Shooting medpacks = Playing the medic.
AI shooting allies = New unit, combat medic, however not possible now.
Bouceware, What hunter shields are made of highly reflective to bullets.
Using the doors logic to detect that you are near for it to open could be used to trigger highly explosive grenades instead of using timers. Great for choke points.
I can draw, but does't have software to model or skin yet, lto of them are out of my pocket's reach. 3 grand is a lot
Thats it for now Mabey I should refine my list or someting and put the impossibles in the back seat for now. But there you have it all of my modifications for a exansoin pack for halo. Im getting a sense on what missions should be made and the story is already available through the First Strike and the Flood novel (possible to have two stories mabey, one as a marine, the other as MC after halo but before halo 2 ).
One final quesiton, should I make a new topic entitled Project Halo: First Strike, (Expansion mod package) to get some of these ideas going and mabey organize people to help out with some of it? Maybe get feed back and different views about getting it done?
First off I do know there are limitations to programming based off other programs. But the halo physics engine is very powerful and has many variables. Also some of the weapons have introduced several new variables.
I currently dont know to about the actual programming itself but have enough understanding of the lingo to understand what is going on. I used to design games for a small venture I used to own few years back.
Well that a big bummer about being unable to entirely replace Single player missions.
But most of these Ideas where for an expansion pack like deal mabey the team that makes it give it to Bungie for consideration. Im sure we could ask also for permission for such endevor.
Few last questions Do companies evntually release the rights to exect files of old games?
Possible to make a multiplayer map a mission (scirpts, stuff the works)?
Do MC reskins replace colors or just the entire model?
This knocks out a lot of them for the moment.
For those who don't know what the shadow is its a LRV for the covenant similar to the warthog in creation for Halo 2, features a pilot, Shotgunner, and Tail gunner which features the shade turrent, (like the creep APCs).
Conceptual Drawings can be found at the offical website. This would require to reskin a warthog and give it the same driving properties of the ghost. This can spicen things up having a warthog vs. shadows.
Also for those who don't know the 'shark' (unoffical name but keeping with the theme here) was originally the invasion craft for the silent cartographer. Conceptual drawing can be found from teh offical website for the first game. It was a 4 or six I forgot fast boat with a gunner and pilot.
Also why can to buthcer parts of viechles and keep thier properites along with it. They did it with the turrent mods?
The 'Flood' Gultch was a nifty Idea for a MP map if the shark can exist. Just respawns for viechles should be a shorter time and teleporter can be the other option to get to the other island. As for water viechle graphics interation (noting from the Xbox version since I do not have a high end computer) there is effects going thorugh the water in a warthog.
Pelican, Im sure It can be done. Not perfectly and may take a massive amount of time, however from What I've read so far there is one armed pelican but very glitchy.
Marine reskin, = several missions playing as SOB SGT. Johnson but since we can't do that with single player missions oh well.
HEK? Some sort of program part that defines map variables? Or jsut a map editing tool?
The single player tank (look nextime when you play the assault on the control room) features and armored canopy that looks just like the unused cockpit side of the multiplayer tank. Which is where the idea of mirroring that animation of the open armor cockpit and use that as the gunners placement.
The elevaotrs, lightbrigdes, Doors and from the side gravity where going to Super Boarding Action where is not an open middle but a fight on the space ship with doors to suck players out of. This could be a very unique concept however the gravity must be tied into the door switch which I can imagine would be a nightmare to figure out.
Not ingame play scripts = cutscenes sorry for using bad terminology.
Mirrior like glasse =Crion fun house.
The Heavy Assault Rifel would sould also very hard to do, it will require new animations of cheifs hands cocking back the grenade launcher part like a shotgun.
Destoryable viechles mod was for Multiplayer only though.
I do belive there is a destroyed warthog on the Maw level. No scoprions though which will required a detroyed animation which can be out of our league right now.
Shooting medpacks = Playing the medic.
AI shooting allies = New unit, combat medic, however not possible now.
Bouceware, What hunter shields are made of highly reflective to bullets.
Using the doors logic to detect that you are near for it to open could be used to trigger highly explosive grenades instead of using timers. Great for choke points.
I can draw, but does't have software to model or skin yet, lto of them are out of my pocket's reach. 3 grand is a lot
Thats it for now Mabey I should refine my list or someting and put the impossibles in the back seat for now. But there you have it all of my modifications for a exansoin pack for halo. Im getting a sense on what missions should be made and the story is already available through the First Strike and the Flood novel (possible to have two stories mabey, one as a marine, the other as MC after halo but before halo 2 ).
One final quesiton, should I make a new topic entitled Project Halo: First Strike, (Expansion mod package) to get some of these ideas going and mabey organize people to help out with some of it? Maybe get feed back and different views about getting it done?