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[WIP] The Mongoose - With Pics lol

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:06 pm
by Scoliosis
K here is a model i found while digging in my files. I made this during the dark ages (pre entity days) before perfect UVWs existed. I decided to discontinue cause it would be ugly if it wasnt skinned. But since i found this i thought id share it with ya guys and see if i should finish it. THe fate of this model totally rests with feedback. So Enjoy.

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215411
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215414
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215419
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215422

FYI, im gonna remove the wheels and the front glass visor cause im gonna use some stuff in halo 2, like a glass shader and warthog wheels. the only reason they are there is to make it look full. It didnt look right while i was working on it from the bungie render pics

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:09 pm
by t_mann05
haha looks good :D

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:08 pm
by rossmum
Meh, it's decent...

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:25 pm
by Scoliosis
FYI, its only decent cause it was stopped mid way through. The entire front still needed to be done. Its still unfinished. thats why the title says WIP

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:01 pm
by The science of Kaboom
Looks pretty good.

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:52 pm
by (sccan)dudz
nice better that i could do :P

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:35 am
by TheySayImCrazy
Ignore these guys, that is excellent! Much better than I could do (I cannot do curved surfaces! xD) especially with milkshape! Keep up the good work!

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:12 am
by rossmum
TheySayImCrazy wrote:Ignore these guys, that is excellent! Much better than I could do (I cannot do curved surfaces! xD) especially with milkshape! Keep up the good work!
Just because it's better than you could do doesn't make it excellent. And why should he ignore us, when we all said it's pretty good?

TBH, I know a hell of a lot more about modeling than you, and I'm telling you now that while this model is pretty good, I've seen WAY better.

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:28 am
by (sccan)dudz
TheySayImCrazy wrote:Ignore these guys, that is excellent! Much better than I could do (I cannot do curved surfaces! xD) especially with milkshape! Keep up the good work!
i agree

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:38 am
by TheySayImCrazy
Rossmum wrote:
TheySayImCrazy wrote:
Ignore these guys, that is excellent! Much better than I could do (I cannot do curved surfaces! xD) especially with milkshape! Keep up the good work!
Just because it's better than you could do doesn't make it excellent. And why should he ignore us, when we all said it's pretty good?

TBH, I know a hell of a lot more about modeling than you, and I'm telling you now that while this model is pretty good, I've seen WAY better.

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Whoa man, cool down. You seem to be getting very upset over something this trivial. I've seen your models they are quite good but, keep in mind that this forum is a not an election campaign forums no one wins here. I have modeled before and made my own maps, none of which were ever released because I was fed up with modding and mapping in general by that point and that I don't really care if someone likes or dislikes my maps. Less than 1% of all the maps ever really get played anyway. This reminds me of a saying: "Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.". I have nothing against those that are slow, but I think you get the point. I try to avoid stupid BS like that, that is common here but boy did I not expect a rant like that out of nowhere over a simple model. :P

It doesn't matter if others think you're good or not, not everyone is going to like you, what matters is if you think it looks nice. I bet you could surely out model me, but can you out draw me? XD *yields pencil and paper*

BTW I don't have a scanner, and I know some peopel are absolutely awesome at drawing, some of that is way beyond what I tend to do ;). I like cool stuff like guns, vehicles, spacecraft, atmospheric drawings, moods, you know :D.

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:12 pm
by Darkstorm995
I swear to god these little fights repeat over and over again every time. THe model looks alright, the model needs to be more defined, add some detail and get the smoothing groups right.

Thats called C&C I suggest the peeps who know how to model give some of this isntead of just commenting "meh.. its aight" maybe this way people wouldnt bitch.


Darkstorm995 out( anyone remember oldfaq doing that )

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:00 pm
by TheySayImCrazy
Yes darkstorm I do remember that ;). I think he did it as a way of making himself 'official'. Like signing your name in the letter you send to someone, it's like making thewmselves important to you against your will. It has become a rage around the net, it makes me angry. Among that there are other really dumb fads, like *Puts <insert name here> in a jar*, or *Shoots arrow*.

A year and a half ago this place was a nice place to put up your models for critique and stuff, but lately n00bs who bitch about anything and everything plague this site. I don't think they will change, so I ignore them and if I am attacked, I give em a dose of logic, morals, common sense, and human compassion, something they are not used to XD. I know a Sci Fi book by the name of Ringworld, by Larry Niven, which is what halo is sort of based off of (halo is more similar to Culture orbitals than the Ringworld), that made it a bad thing to be a "herd animal" (this phrase was commonly used as an insult throughout the books :'P).

Basically, the internet and the people that are on it act like herd animals. Fads, and copy cats are common, reflecting on that "herd animal" part of our aspect. But what can you say, herd animal is not really so much an insult, as it is a verification that you are human.

It is what seperates us from the other animals, Rabbits, goats, deer, etc. they all just go it alone, much like a solo Slayer match in halo. Primates are different however, they are social, and help each other. This is a higher form of intelligence, but still a lesser form in our society today. I have my own theories about what seperates us from the monkeys but I won't discuss them here. The "herd animal" instinct protects us (to a degree, there are different types of herd out there, water buffalo and Elephants for a comparison).

This instinct in primates shows intelligence, because it is a form of economics. I saw on TV once, a monkey (I don't know what species however) could eat the food he found, and risk being caught (which could lead to repurcussions by the main group) or he could bring it back to be shared by the group and maybe get a piece of the pie. By economics in this example I mean that the monkeys understand "You give me that, I'll give you this". The monkey could eat the food and not get caught, but if he is caught the group may disband him. If you are disbanded, you are like a lone masterchief in a team match in halo. Easy prey, and anyone will come after you. Being in a group means protection from the elements, they all work to survive.

Simply by having a large group the monkey is protected by the existence of other monkeys, who may be "Bait" or be the unlucky one left behind, which could have been the monkey himself, had he been on his own. In our modern society, it is encouraged to think for yourself, and not be a herd animal, because history has shown that those who questioned well established law have proven that well established law wrong, and their discoveries have helped the human race many times over.

Also, oldFAQ was good at what he did, but he was an ASSHOLE. This seems to have become a common practice and attitude here at halo mods, and I do not like it.

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:15 pm
by Darkstorm995
TheySayImCrazy wrote:Also, oldFAQ was good at what he did, but he was an ****. This seems to have become a common practice and attitude here at halo mods, and I do not like it.
It seems to be way of life in halomods lately. I only stick around to see what people come up with and watch the youngsters fight over petty differences. I suggest if people want some real C&C from pros and actual game designers go to polycount.com.

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:23 pm
by rossmum
TheySayImCrazy wrote:Yes darkstorm I do remember that ;). I think he did it as a way of making himself 'official'. Like signing your name in the letter you send to someone, it's like making thewmselves important to you against your will. It has become a rage around the net, it makes me angry. Among that there are other really dumb fads, like *Puts <insert name here> in a jar*, or *Shoots arrow*.

A year and a half ago this place was a nice place to put up your models for critique and stuff, but lately n00bs who **** about anything and everything plague this site. I don't think they will change, so I ignore them and if I am attacked, I give em a dose of logic, morals, common sense, and human compassion, something they are not used to XD. I know a Sci Fi book by the name of Ringworld, by Larry Niven, which is what halo is sort of based off of (halo is more similar to Culture orbitals than the Ringworld), that made it a bad thing to be a "herd animal" (this phrase was commonly used as an insult throughout the books :'P).

Basically, the internet and the people that are on it act like herd animals. Fads, and copy cats are common, reflecting on that "herd animal" part of our aspect. But what can you say, herd animal is not really so much an insult, as it is a verification that you are human.

It is what seperates us from the other animals, Rabbits, goats, deer, etc. they all just go it alone, much like a solo Slayer match in halo. Primates are different however, they are social, and help each other. This is a higher form of intelligence, but still a lesser form in our society today. I have my own theories about what seperates us from the monkeys but I won't discuss them here. The "herd animal" instinct protects us (to a degree, there are different types of herd out there, water buffalo and Elephants for a comparison).

This instinct in primates shows intelligence, because it is a form of economics. I saw on TV once, a monkey (I don't know what species however) could eat the food he found, and risk being caught (which could lead to repurcussions by the main group) or he could bring it back to be shared by the group and maybe get a piece of the pie. By economics in this example I mean that the monkeys understand "You give me that, I'll give you this". The monkey could eat the food and not get caught, but if he is caught the group may disband him. If you are disbanded, you are like a lone masterchief in a team match in halo. Easy prey, and anyone will come after you. Being in a group means protection from the elements, they all work to survive.

Simply by having a large group the monkey is protected by the existence of other monkeys, who may be "Bait" or be the unlucky one left behind, which could have been the monkey himself, had he been on his own. In our modern society, it is encouraged to think for yourself, and not be a herd animal, because history has shown that those who questioned well established law have proven that well established law wrong, and their discoveries have helped the human race many times over.

Also, oldFAQ was good at what he did, but he was an ****. This seems to have become a common practice and attitude here at halo mods, and I do not like it.
Where the hell did you pull that shit from? I did it because I'm sick of people who tell someone a model is perfect just because they couldn't do better, when it's quite clearly not. Nobody will ever improve if you just spoon feed them compliments. >_>

Trust me, I see it a lot, and I hate to see people's potential wasted because someone told them that, and they then assume they're a great modeler and stop learning.

And the attitude amongst the long-time members here? Look in any of the forums. You'll see at least 5 threads asking the same stupid question which is answered in God knows how many tutorials. Enter the thread, and you will be smacked in the face by awful spelling and grammar, double and even triple posts, massively oversized sigs, and flaming of people who try to help and actually know what they're doing. It makes me feel sad for this place, it used to be awesome back in early '04, now it's full of absolute garbage and all the cool people are leaving. I'm actually tempted to follow suit.

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:14 am
by Bladez
rossmum wrote:Where the hell did you pull that **** from? I did it because I'm sick of people who tell someone a model is perfect just because they couldn't do better, when it's quite clearly not. Nobody will ever improve if you just spoon feed them compliments. >_>

Trust me, I see it a lot, and I hate to see people's potential wasted because someone told them that, and they then assume they're a great modeler and stop learning.

And the attitude amongst the long-time members here? Look in any of the forums. You'll see at least 5 threads asking the same stupid question which is answered in God knows how many tutorials. Enter the thread, and you will be smacked in the face by awful spelling and grammar, double and even triple posts, massively oversized sigs, and flaming of people who try to help and actually know what they're doing. It makes me feel sad for this place, it used to be awesome back in early '04, now it's full of absolute garbage and all the cool people are leaving. I'm actually tempted to follow suit.
wtf world are you living in? not everyone is the same. I have a lot of rl friends that never released models or maps yet but have recieved a shitload of compliments from their rl friends, and heck they're still continueing to learn modeling. Just because you get a compliment doesnt mean you stop learning most of the time.

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:55 am
by Hyperdash
Preaty neat for milkshape :) . I like it but try to make the seat alittle more steep like a motobike. it looks like a roking horse with wheels :lol:

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:55 am
by rossmum
You obviously haven't been to the Gearbox forums lately.

People saying "OMG ITS PERFECT!!!11" when there's obvious improvements that could be made help nobody. When you look at a model, if you see something wrong with it, you tell them what they can improve. If you don't know anything about modeling, then don't assume just because you couldn't do better, it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I've seen people get told by non-modelers that their stuff is awesome, when really it's pretty awful by modest 3d modeling standards. So when me or Snaf or Tweek go tell them what's wrong, they're so up themselves after being hero-worshipped by these people who don't know what they're talking about that they don't listen and even sometimes flame us for not agreeing that their model is great. I'm not saying everyone does it, but it does happen too often. Not so long ago a guy on GBX told someone he didn't really like what he'd made, it wasn't his sort of thing... and got all sorts of abuse thrown at him.

Basically what I'm saying is, don't overdo the compliments, and if you don't know anything about modeling, don't assume everything you see is brilliant.

And yes, fix the smoothing groups, add some details and get it skinned. Like I said, not the best, but for Milkshape it's not bad... try using Gmax or something. If you want EXCELLENT, try something more like this.

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:46 pm
by SnaFuBAR
your tires are too tubular, the model is extremely basic. fix your bad smoothing groups. use some real quad references to get proportions corrected. try to find some quad blueprints. needs more engine detail. it's pretty bland at the moment. i wouldn't tag and release this at all, but i would continue to work on it. where things went wrong with this one, you can see and correct on your next model.

in the future, don't listen to people that have little to no skill in 3d modeling or design. compliments can be a morale booster, but the uninformed are hardly a representation of the advice you need.

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:48 pm
by Darkstorm995
Like i said, people need to stop trying to be the next Katarn or the next oldfaq. every post does not have to be a nice comment but if you are going to post post soemthing that will help them. Give good advice, don't be an ass because you can do better, and the biggest tihng i hate is when people compare by posting pics of their models on someone else's thread. If i see that i will flame you to death.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:13 am
by flyinrooster
darkstorm995 wrote:Like i said, people need to stop trying to be the next Katarn or the next oldfaq. every post does not have to be a nice comment but if you are going to post post soemthing that will help them. Give good advice, don't be an **** because you can do better, and the biggest tihng i hate is when people compare by posting pics of their models on someone else's thread. If i see that i will flame you to death.
I think his advice is good. He is right in almost everyway, I'm afraid. You are trying to hold back someone who is trying to help. He's not saying his model sucks, and he wasn't trying to show off. He was saying that people who can't or don't model at all shouldn't say it's the best model they have ever laid eyes on. He genuinely wants Scoliosis to make good models, but he doesn't want Scoliosis to flame him(like most people do...), when he tells him what needs to be fixed. Another thing, the modelling world is not the run-around-skipping-and-love-everyone world, it's a world of harsh criticism that one must learn to take from the ones who have been in the world longer, or they won't survive.

[edit] Also, this makes me think. You probably won't last too well in the miliary darkstorm, =p. You take what you believe are insults that may not even apply to yourself, too seriosuly. And it looks like you wouldn't ever follow the chain of command. I can just imagine you saying to a Colonel "Why should I listen to you? Just because you're better?" and you getting your ass wooped or shot. Seriously, grow up, and try to realize something, you aren't helping. You are hurting Scoliosis.