The Halomods vs. GFXUG Scandal...DO NOT DELETE THIS

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:06 pm

I had a discussion with their admin and well...just read. I still have the window up and can take some pictures if you really don't believe me.

tkiu umberger: Hi, Gametagaeonflux from Halomods.
tkiu umberger: about this sig competition between your site and halomods
tkiu umberger: i noticed you said:
"Sigh, First, YOU CANT POST WHAT YOU MADE FOR THE CONTEST OR YOU = DISCUALIFIED"
tkiu umberger: well, one of your members, crypty, HAS posted his http://www.gfxug.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6767 there
tkiu umberger: i request his immediate disqualification
furyoffuriosa is no longer idle at 5:56:57 PM.
furyoffuriosa: dont worry
furyoffuriosa: he is
tkiu umberger: alright thank you
tkiu umberger: i appreciate that =)
tkiu umberger: thank you for being unbiased and not bending any rules
furyoffuriosa: welcome
furyoffuriosa: wait sorry
furyoffuriosa: i forgot, that has been changed
furyoffuriosa: or will be
tkiu umberger: ...?
furyoffuriosa: i was thinking of posting the poll on a unbiased site with many members, IE gamerenders
tkiu umberger: well...that doesnt mean there is nothing stopping your sites members from registering and voting there
furyoffuriosa: beef just hasnt logged on yet, the reason for no names was unbiased vote, but if noone from the site
furyoffuriosa: true
furyoffuriosa: but you can do that too, you guys have at least 10x more members
tkiu umberger: not many visit the graphics section, and we havent posted anything
furyoffuriosa: but, for gamerenders, they have +20000 people
tkiu umberger: after all, its a halo modding site not a graphics one
tkiu umberger: true but how many are active
furyoffuriosa: um, here
tkiu umberger: and sig battles dont all get votes
tkiu umberger: its just another topic to them
furyoffuriosa: not if its site vs site
tkiu umberger: unless you can contact the admin and get us some attention...
tkiu umberger: true
furyoffuriosa: currently
furyoffuriosa: 237 guests, 467 members 5 anonymous members
furyoffuriosa: 709 user(s) active in the past 60 minutes
tkiu umberger: mmk

So...he pretty much just bent the rules because of HIS member breaking them. Discuss.

And if we want to get technical, rate my user banner. -_-

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:12 pm

If they can change the rules when they like, whats stopping me from changing them and having Scotty make my entry? Seirously though I don't mind losing, but they shouldn't breaks the rules then decide to change them.
The rules were made official were they not? After things like that are made official you don't change them...

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:20 pm

Yes, I can see these guys have GREAT integrity.

http://www.gfxug.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6641&page=3

Here's the quote to Furiosa saying the rule about being disqualified.

EDIT: Hell, let's add a pic so he can't doubt it.

http://gfxevolution.com/uploads/nice%20one.jpg

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:36 pm

My understanding is that this was supposed to be a clean and friendly sig battle between the two forums. With that in mind, the rules were designed only with the intention of making things as fair as possible.

Shortly after the contest was posted, I contacted furiosa about the problem of HM having 12x the number of members we have at gfxug, and I suggested that we hold the voting on a neutral site such as gamerenders.com (which also has a very large userbase which makes a more fair poll)

Furiosa agreed to this and said he would let BEEEF know asap which I guess wasn't very soon because from what I hear, he hasn't been online in some time.

The whole purpose of the "don't post your sig rule" was to make things more fair by hopefully having some anonymity when it came time to vote. If voting is handled on a neutral site then what difference does it make. Furthermore, being from the (much) smaller site of the two, it would be to your benefit for you guys to know which sig is from GFXUG.

Im sorry but it just sounds like you some of you are trying to take advantage and gain an edge where one it not deserved.

So that's whats up.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:40 pm

You do realize that hardly any of the members actually go to the Graphics section? we may be a bigger site but you're site most likely has as much if not more members who will vote

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:42 pm

Well that may or may not be, but holding it on a totally different site is one way to ensure the most fair results. Don't you agree?

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:51 pm

And what's to stop the GFXUG members from registering and voting for your sig?

And as for our member thing...this is HALOMODS, we do not focus on Graphics, we focus on HALO MODS. If you look at the graphics section, you can find all the visitors in one/two topics at most.

And just to add onto that...look at how many of our members are...
A) Active
B) Have 0 posts
and C) Actually post in here frequently.

I've talked to other visitors of the site that didn't even know about this battle.

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:58 pm

So you are saying that we have way more members, but you'd rather still have it on Halomods and GFXUG so we can overwhelm you guys with votes? It's much much harder for everybody to go register at gamerenders.com and cast their vote so I really don't see how this could be a bad thing for you guys.

Not to mention they have by far the largest number of users, which produces better results.

And that's not the only thing. The contest plan was flawed from the beginning and that is why I brought up the gamerenders thing with furiosa as soon as I could. Regardless of what you do to keep sigs private, everybody knows who did what either by the style, or through aim, PMs, etc.

Right now it really sounds like you are arguing against yourself.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:05 pm

I never said you have way more members. I said we don't have as many as you think. It doesn't take that long to register at a site and I'm sure they wouldn't mind it.

And we also seem to have drifted away from the main point. You broke a rule which should make you disqualified, but all of a sudden, it's ok.

Furiosa could have PMed BEEF!!! or posted the new rule here, or even at GFXUG.

And I'm not arguing with myself. -_-

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:37 pm

Ok so it would either be ~1500 members vs "Not as many as you'd think"

Or...

It can be 47,000 members who are neutral plus a sprinkling of members from GFXUG and HM who decide to register.

This is pretty obvious.

I would also like to point out that this "rule" you are referring to is not posted in the rules on GFXUG, nor HM, it is a post thrown into the middle of the topic on GFXUG, but no such rule is stated here on HM. Conflict.

So already we have two different sets of rules. In the interest of keeping things uniform, consider fur's "Dont post your sig" "rule" void. (19:31:12) furyoffuriosa: just forget about it

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:45 pm

We won't just forget about it.

We had rules, you broke them. BEEF!!! never agreed to let you off the hook, and he is also running this contest.

And it's not "just a post thrown in the middle", it's a post by the admin SPECIFICALLY saying not to post your sig.

And once again, you are taking the members thing way too wrong.

Just because 46,640 members have signed up doesn't mean they're all active. Not too many people at Gamerenders visit the Battle Arena section anyways. Yes, there are over 600+ members active, but out of 400 or so active members at the time I've checked, 3 members were browsing the Battle Arena.

BEEF!!! · Post by **BEEF!!!** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:07 pm

Furiosa is in no position to make changes to the contest without talking to me about it. We need to both come upon an agreement in order for a rule to be official.
As it stands right now you are disqualified. If I turn to favor for the voting to be held at GR than you wouldn't be then.

And I HAVE been on AIM lately. The I was on until 11PM (EST) Last night and I got back on at about 4 today. I hardly call that a long time.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:10 pm

I have to admit though, damn that is a good animation.

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:27 pm

GametagAeonFlux wrote:We won't just forget about it.

We had rules, you broke them. BEEF!!! never agreed to let you off the hook, and he is also running this contest.

And it's not "just a post thrown in the middle", it's a post by the admin SPECIFICALLY saying not to post your sig.

"we" had rules, and they did not include keeping the sig to yourself. Furiosa had an addon rule which was just a small mistake of his. He should not have posted it without first notifying beef of the change. However, considering beef never declared such a rule himself, it really isn't up to him to decide whether or not I am "let off the hook."

FYI it was in the middle of the thread but it should not have been posted without first consulting beef so that the rules could be kept the same on both sites. How am I to know the proper rules if they are different depending where I go?

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Beef I can concur with you on the need for agreement between fur and yourself but that's exactly my point. He was in no position to make the rule without consulting you, therefore the rule is not even official at this point. Just like you said.

Woth that said..It would seem that I should be in this contest right now regardless of where it is located.

Furiosa · Post by **Furiosa** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:59 pm

Allright, first, I personnaly have not been "active" on aim, somedays i just leave it open while playing halo. I have been meaning to talk to B33F!!! about this, it just never came up in my head while he was online, because 90% of the time i was on XBL. Notice the anit idle ness, my computer spazzed at me and woke up in my face when he spoke to me.

Now, i hate that you seriously would sink this low. I was trying to make the competition 100% fair, and while you may doubt this, i would not care if it was a guy from our forum or yours. This talk between me and crypty (ironically) happend a few days ago, BEFORE he posted this sig in the forums. I belive he was under the impression that it did not matter anymore, and i sure as hell wasn't, i think i posted in that. I was paying attention to halo at the time you contacted me, and thought nothing of the disc until the game ended, and i said welcome. The game was in its final throes when you contacted me. Then i reread everything, and remembered what was discussed.

I'm sorry b33f for not talking to you earlier, but i'm an avid procrastinator (i just put the manipulation image up on our site today :p) and i thought nothing would come of it, and tommorow when everthing personal thats going on has stopped, i could discuss it.

As of now, i'm really unable and unwanting to discuss it, come back in 2 hours.

I'm not an administrator, im a freaking mod.

Fur

BEEF!!! · Post by **BEEF!!!** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:59 pm

Crypty wrote:Beef I can concur with you on the need for agreement between fur and yourself but that's exactly my point. He was in no position to make the rule without consulting you, therefore the rule is not even official at this point. Just like you said.

Indeed it's not an official rule. That means the old one was still in affect and according to that, you post it you get D/Qed.

Crypty · Post by **Crypty** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:07 pm

Wait I am a little confused. I am only talking about one rule here. The one that fur posted after the original rules stating that "YOU CANT POST WHAT YOU MADE FOR THE CONTEST OR YOU = DISCUALIFIED"

Are you saying it's not official but it's still in effect for me? I don't even see 2 versions of the rule.
This was posted afeter the original rules, and according to the original rules, I did nothing wrong.

Phosphorous · Post by **Phosphorous** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:07 pm

This is some fucked up shit goin' on here

>_>

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:52 pm

Well...here's a solution. Make a new sig.

So that means you won't have posted your entry, and we can allllll forget about this.

Infern0 · Post by **Infern0** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:11 pm

Okay guys, what about this.

Ill let you guys use illusive-designs as your unbiased voting forum, and will only let OUR members vote, so no falsities.

How's that for a deal?