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Networking Help *Need networking wizards*

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:36 pm
by xXShadowCowXx
Alright my problem is my room is too far from my router so I run a cable to a ethernet connector then to another ehternet cable to my room. Problem is the ethernet connector which connects two cables together broke the other day. And since I don't have a money at the moment I have to work with what I have, which is a linksys router and a netgear router. So I need a way to get the netgear router to connect with linksys router. I have just tried to connect them via a very long ethernet cable, but when I connect the second ethernet cable to the xbox I only get an IP adress and none of the other stuff. So if anyone knows how to dumb down an explanation so that I can connect my netgear router to the linksys and get a full connection on my xbox. :?:

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:51 pm
by nintendo9713
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's uplink to downlink. Say you have your modem going to your Linksys, plug the ethernet into slot 4 (or the last slot) and then plug the other end into port 1 on your netgear. Then you can put the other in slot 2, 3, or 4 and if I'm not mistaken, should work. Give it a try.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:49 pm
by xXShadowCowXx
Nope this didn't do the trick. Just to verify, I have the linksys wireless router connected directly to the cable modem, then I have a ethernet cable going to the netgear router, then the netgear wireless router has a ethernet cable going to my xbox.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:09 pm
by [cc]z@nd!
i've got a linksys, but not a netgear, so this might not be to-the-letter accurate, but i'm sure you'll get my drift:

note: this is out of my head, untested. it might work, it might not. also, this is kinda long, so buckle up.


physical setup:

if you'd like to start from scratch, go ahead and unplug everything from the network, although you don't have to. here's the setup we'll be using: first, there's the modem, which i suppose gives you one ethernet port. get a cat5/6 ethernet cable, and go ahead and hook up the first router. i believe there'll be an "internet" port you should plug into on the router end. make sure the internet works with that, then hook up the second router. like the first, this will plug into the "internet" port of the second router, while it comes from any port (other than the "internet" one) on the first. now connect to the second router and see if you can use the internet. if it works, that's all you have to do, otherwise, you'll have to configure some stuff. once you configure everything, you'll plug in the xbox/see if the internet works from the second router.


config:

the first router should be fine, but take note of the subnet your computers are on. it'll likely be 192.168.1.something, or 192.168.0.something. also, take note of their subnet mask, most likely 255.255.255.0 (class C, /24).

you'll also want to know the IP address of both routers. they'll both be the x.x.x.1 of their subnet, so chances are they won't just "work" if you plug 'em together because of an address conflict. leave the config as it was on the first to get internet access, but go into the second, and set it to use "automatic configuration - DHCP" (probably on the first page after logging in). this way, when you connect the second router's internet port to and empty port on the first router, router A will act as the DHCP server to router B. B asks for config, and A tells it what IP and subnet mask to use, as well as a default gateway.

anyways, what should also be on the first page is "local ip address" field. make sure the third number (if it's using a class C, 255.255.255.0, /24 subnet mask) is different from the one on the first router, so they don't conflict. if they're the same, i'd say just bump it up one. you could leave the 4th number alone, but it should be fine at anything other than 0 or 255.

ok, so the second router is getting DHCP info for it's address from the first router. it's local IP is also now on a different subnet then the first router is assigned to watch over, so as long as a DHCP server is running on the second router, i'd say you're fine to plug 'n play. if you've read this far and did any of this, congrats. if it still doesn't work, post your IPs and subnets here, and maybe even a diagram of how it was wired this last time you try. and again, sorry for making this so long. i thought i'd try to put everything you'd need to know into one post, but i might've crammed too much in here...



ASCII art of example addresses/subnets/layout that should work:

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[internet/modem]
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ip = your.external.IP.here
subnet = whatever the hell your ISP set it as. doesn't matter.
"internet" port

[first router]

"other" ports/wifi
ip = 192.168.1.1
subnet = 255.255.255.0
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ip = 192.168.1.2 (example. will be automatically assigned by first router)
subnet = 255.255.255.0
"internet" port

[second router]

"other" ports/wifi
ip = 192.168.2.1
subnet = 255.255.255.0
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ip = 192.168.2.100 (example. should be automatically assigned by second router)
subnet = 255.255.255.0

[xbox]

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:09 pm
by xXShadowCowXx
Ok I just got onto my router settings by entering my gateway and it said the IP for the second router was 192.168.1.101 and my subnets were 255.255.255.0, also I have not been getting a conflict with the IP on the xbox, I just have a problem with the DNS and down on the list. Just so you know this is what I have been using to connect the two cables. So if you know of a electronic place that sells the ethernet link can you please tell me?

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:06 am
by MaestroMan
From my knowledge, I think you are experiencing problems connecting to Xbox Live because you are using two different routers. Each router has it's own Primary IP address and DNS server, I'd imagine the Xbox can only connect to one IP address and one DNS server, and that the secondary IP address and DNS server preferences on the Xbox must be linked to the single router, only used as an alternative. However, I could be wrong. But I think the best advice we can give you is to use your previous setup, which regarded the ethernet hub but should concern a more reliable one, which can be found here at Amazon. Have a browse around to see which one suits you best. Alternatively, if you have a basic knowledge of electronics and have multiple ethernet cables, you can follow this tutorial on how to wire ethernet cables. Good luck.

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:03 am
by [cc]z@nd!
yeah, if you happen to have a crimper, you could just make one really long cable, as long as it isn't over 100 feet. or maybe you can go to a hardware store, buy two female RJ-45 8-slot 8-connect connectors, wire those up appropriately (crossover most likely) then plug the two cables into it. I just did something extremely similar, but with phone cable. what you linked to looks like a standard repeater. should work in your instance, but be warned, it will also bump up the voltage of any noise that is present, so that might cause issues for unshielded cable in a high interference area, but it's probably not a problem here.

if you can set a DNS server for the xbox, either set it to the first router's IP (the router should know where to send it from there) or use an address of one that you know of, like one of your ISPs DNS servers, for example.

edit: also, go ahead and see if a computer can connect to the internet when connected to the second router.