Section Rules - Halo 3 Modding Q&A

[M715ForLife]

O.O

Microsoft.

So...Microsoft is gonna show up at my house, .357 me, take my console, smash, then burn it?

I was asking for a more "technical" answer.

[Aumaan Anubis]

O.O

Microsoft.

So...Microsoft is gonna show up at my house, .357 me, take my console, smash, then burn it?

Yes.

I was asking for a more "technical" answer.

The Xbox 360.

[LuxuriousMeat]

Veegie, how are you extracting the scripts?

[M715ForLife]

O.O

Microsoft.

So...Microsoft is gonna show up at my house, .357 me, take my console, smash, then burn it?

Yes.

I was asking for a more "technical" answer.

The Xbox 360.

Thank you.

Another question: What is stopping us from skinning anything?

[Aumaan Anubis]

Another question: What is stopping us from skinning anything?

The only type of modding that we can "perform" is usermap modding. And unfortunately, the bitmaps and shaders don't reside in the usermap.
They reside in the .map file.
The .map file is protected by a key stored on Microsoft servers, so there, as of yet, has been no way for anyone to mod a .map file.
Of course, this excludes Dev Kit owners, Veegie, and Detox, for example. The state of their Xbox 360 allows them to run unsigned code, and therefore edit a .map file to their liking.

We, the basic community, on the other hand, are limited to usermap modding, which as said, doesn't allow us to skin anything.

I believe that what I've said is accurate. Can anyone confirm?

[Veegie]

Raw hasn't been touched.
So no one is skinning anything.

[Eaton]

Veegie, how are you extracting the scripts?

Is that your own custom library?

[LuxuriousMeat]

Veegie, how are you extracting the scripts?

Is that your own custom library?

No, it comes with Engineer.

[CompKronos]

well i would like to
(begin
my post by saying thanks veegie for that, and also to clarify script can not be edited until we can resign the large Live rsa encryption because scripts would edit and change base map structure, right?

edit: didn't see page 41

[Eaton]

Veegie, how are you extracting the scripts?

Is that your own custom library?

No, it comes with Engineer.

I seemed to have missed that...

[Veegie]

well i would like to
(begin
my post by saying thanks veegie for that, and also to clarify script can not be edited until we can resign the large Live rsa encryption because scripts would edit and change base map structure, right?

edit: didn't see page 41

You're awfully wordy...

[Themandyou]

You're awfully wordy...

I think that went from a "Thank you" to a question if his statement was correct.

[CompKronos]

yea sorry using (begin screwed the post up, i was asking the question which was already clarified, and then thanking veegie for the script of the defenders.

and wow just had a great idea and now if i can figure out a way to make a certain gametype mod possible, well...yay!

[Supermodder911]

It wasn't so much the "(begin"...

[Shock120]

Hey guys, answer a stupid question from me. please.
In a "Usermap" is there some ID that links it to it's original map?

Yes - Would you be able to change it? like Scenarios\multi\Shrine\Shrine to
Scenarios\solo\030_outskirts\030_outskirts.

No - sorry for asking.

The idea was, would it be possible for 16 player campaign.

[mxrider108]

Hey guys, answer a stupid question from me. please.
In a "Usermap" is there some ID that links it to it's original map?

Yes - Would you be able to change it? like Scenarios\multi\Shrine\Shrine to
Scenarios\solo\030_outskirts\030_outskirts.

No - sorry for asking.

The idea was, would it be possible for 16 player campaign.

Yes there is, and yes you could technically change it, but it would fail to load.

[Shock120]

Hey guys, answer a stupid question from me. please.
In a "Usermap" is there some ID that links it to it's original map?

Yes - Would you be able to change it? like Scenarios\multi\Shrine\Shrine to
Scenarios\solo\030_outskirts\030_outskirts.

No - sorry for asking.

The idea was, would it be possible for 16 player campaign.

Yes there is, and yes you could technically change it, but it would fail to load.

I like the answer, but would anyone confirm this?

[mxrider108]

Hey guys, answer a stupid question from me. please.
In a "Usermap" is there some ID that links it to it's original map?

Yes - Would you be able to change it? like Scenarios\multi\Shrine\Shrine to
Scenarios\solo\030_outskirts\030_outskirts.

No - sorry for asking.

The idea was, would it be possible for 16 player campaign.

Yes there is, and yes you could technically change it, but it would fail to load.

I like the answer, but would anyone confirm this?

You would be referencing Identifiers which are not found in the map file. The only way for this to work would be with some very heavy .map file modding.

[shade45]

You could change the map id to that of a campaign map but it wouldn't load.

[Gruntlord5]

Any answer to my post?
and shade, wats going on with halosource?