Complaints will still be made. Those people know the rules are there, so why would putting them in an annoying place make them less apt to complain? You should be saying we need to add more to the rules, not put them in a place that is obnoxious. Did the complaint recently address a rule somewhere? No, it was a judgment by staff members, not an explicit rule-breaking, so that goes against your case to say that they're complaining, because the complaints don't come about explicit rule violations, they come from staff judgments. Your suggestion is completely pointless if you're just going to put the rules in more places, because obviously the rules' location are not the issue here, it is the nature of the rules. Furthermore, we will not be doing it to reduce complaints, because we can't say "You're not allowed to complain," because then this board would be pointless. There is not a single thing you can do to reduce complaints, because you cannot tell people they cannot complain. So really, I fail to see a single thing you have presented as being worthwhile. In addition to all of this, you aren't a staff member, so it doesn't affect you at all anyways. As a final note, only an admin could add this, and Iron_Forge will also tell you that it's completely unnecessary clutter, so you can stop with the comments about staff, such as "since, you know, the effort could actually kill you," regardless of sarcasm. Everything you've said so far is pretty much illogical. I'll break it down in a bit.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:I've noticed (through only the few topics I've looked through here, mind you) that there are usually problems stemming from people not knowing the rules.
Rarely does it come from an ignorance of the rules, because a lot of the complaints are not about explicit rule violations, but about decisions made based on staff judgments.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:What if there was a summary of these rules in the top of the topic posting page (I'm not exactly sure what its called).
Then it would be annoying every time you post.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:For one, people would be reminded not to post irrelevant topics or replies (as well as what the term "irrelevant" means).
If they're making an off-topic reply, they're probably well aware of it. Furthermore, if someone does that, they can be reported and dealt with by staff, and if they have an issue with that, they can post it here. We will never tell people they are not allowed to complain, even if there was a notice at the top, because that notice is already in the rules, and we could say they aren't allowed to complain because of that. How does location change their ability to complain? As staff, we'd be just as able to say "It's in the rules, complaint locked" as we would be to say "It's on the top of the posting page, complaint locked."
tsgfilmwerks wrote:Also, you [moderators] would look less like pompous jerks who lock/remove threads with even the smallest hints of irrelevancy
As staff, we'd be just as able to say "It's in the rules, complaint locked" as we would be to say "It's on the top of the posting page, complaint locked." Location, again, changes absolutely nothing, at all, in any way.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:Also, you [moderators] would look more like the noble, respectable & hard-working individuals you are when people are warned of the rules while they are posting their threads.
How would people like us more if their stuff is removed? They can see the rules already, and that doesn't stop them. That point is completely unreasonable and illogical.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:Yes, the rules are on the top of the forum.
Yep, and we don't need to shove them in everyone's face, because the volume of complaints is incredibly minimal compared to the volume of action taken. We get maybe one complaint out of every 100 actions we do, it's fine, really. It doesn't affect you at all.
tsgfilmwerks wrote:No, you [moderators] have no reason to apply such a minimal suggestion (since, you know, the effort could actually kill you), given the moral high-ground of being forum moderators.
You're right, we don't. On top of that, it's physically impossible for any moderator to add a mod such as that. So nice job with the condescending/sarcastic comments which are doing nothing other than dissuading staff from agreeing with you.
So all I see here are faults with your plan, and not a single valid benefit from it. Every single point you have presented is based on the notion that putting the rules in everyone's face would stop complaining, but the complaints are not only not a significant issue, but are going to be encouraged.
We'd rather have people discuss the action than just saying "The rules were on the posting page, you're not allowed to complain." I don't know how to stress this any more. Do you understand that the location of rules would not enable us to stop people from complaining? I would like a yes or no answer, please.
I hate to do this again, but this decision is going to stand. Iron_Forge is not going to add the clutter, and even if he did, we would not be able to use it to enforce anything, so it would be purely for show, as it would have no impact on actions taken by staff members, and shouldn't have any impact on complaints being made. We'd be doing it solely as a security blanket effect. It would not, and should not, change anything. It would actually be bad if we used that to cut down on complaints, because it would make it more of the staff saying "We're right, you're not allowed to challenge us," which is what everyone hates so much. The answer is no.