Just my two cents

RXM-Tftman78 · Post by **RXM-Tftman78** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:45 pm

I am voting Trulif3 to be staff.
But no one cares about that do they.

See I have ran websites, many of them active most of them getting about 300- 500 posts a day, and being a single root administrator and picking the best of staff, I know what it takes and I know it's hard. But staff members who use harsh words, and make other people feel bad, whether it's graphics, moding, or just in general discussion to me..shouldn't be staff in the first place.

Staff member's especially on how big and active this site is, staff member's are supposed to always handle thing's with appropriate wording and to be nice, even if it is someone you despise...It's all part of the job. If a staff member continues to flame, such as using dry humor, not everyone is going to understand that...that is not a excuse, that cannot and should not be used as a excuse! It shouldn't even be TOLERATED as a excuse by the owners and administrators of halomods. A staff member, for one should never flame, two should never ever ever use harsh criticism no matter who it is or what they have done to you! And three should never flame other members.

Staff are members, and before a staff member was promoted he was a member! Actions are a part of it, and Trulif3 just wanting a title to say he is staff....isn't that what you guys are doing..Abusing your powers, and just using them to say.. " Hey i am staff and I can say and do what ever I want to do! "

Staff is not only a title, but it is a JOB, and a trulif3 in my opinion is more capable of handling this JOB than some of the moderators I see on halomods!

~Tftman78

CabooseJr · Post by **CabooseJr** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:47 pm

We don't vote democratically, They are chosen by admins.

RXM-Tftman78 · Post by **RXM-Tftman78** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:51 pm

CabooseJr wrote:We don't vote democratically, They are chosen by admins.

I am just saying..my opinion and my two cents. I know that moderators aren't chosen democratically, just saying you know!

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:36 am

If you have examples of staff members flaming please give us links. Also, don't give a big long speech like that only to have blatant advertising at the end of it.

RXM-Tftman78 · Post by **RXM-Tftman78** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:32 am

My bad
Didn't mean to advertise...< sorry

But I am just saying there are some very good points Trulif3 has brought up.

And i have seen staff flame members, sometimes, but if you want me to look through every single post ten I think going through about 666809 articles is a bit extreme...lol

But yes I have seen it before!
I am not trying to start a war or anything about this, but just giving my opinion about this!

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:46 pm

Provide evidence or don't bring it up. If you can not support your claim, you should not be making it at all.

RXM-Tftman78 wrote:But I am just saying there are some very good points Trulif3 has brought up.

Trulife brings up good points, but it's not a good point when a staff member refutes it. Makes perfect sense. Look, you need to be looking at both sides of the argument. You're exploiting the things you think are important, and completely neglect to even acknowledge the possibility that you are wrong. Your claims have no factual basis, as it stands right now, and you're ranting about "flaming." Personally, from reading your messages, I don't believe you understand what flaming is. Flaming is insulting a user. Yes, staff members are harsh sometimes in their comments on content, but users have that same freedom. Nobody is barred from being harsh, only from breaking the rules. We are not restricting anyone's ability to express their opinion how they see fit. So please, before you make these claims of "power abuse" and "flaming," take a look at the whole situation, not just the part that allows you to rant about the staff.

RXM-Tftman78 wrote:If a staff member continues to flame, such as using dry humor, not everyone is going to understand that...that is not a excuse, that cannot and should not be used as a excuse! It shouldn't even be TOLERATED as a excuse by the owners and administrators of halomods. A staff member, for one should never flame, two should never ever ever use harsh criticism no matter who it is or what they have done to you! And three should never flame other members.

Your first and third points are the same. Also, that is not flaming, at all. There is nothing wrong with criticism. Yes, it is sometimes rude, but there is no reason anyone should be prevented from posting because of the way they choose to convey their opinions.

RXM-Tftman78 wrote:Staff are members, and before a staff member was promoted he was a member! Actions are a part of it, and Trulif3 just wanting a title to say he is staff....isn't that what you guys are doing..Abusing your powers, and just using them to say.. " Hey i am staff and I can say and do what ever I want to do! "

I don't even know what you're saying here. Trulife says he wants to be a staff member not to perform staff actions, but just to help people. Again, he does not need a title to help people. Staff are put in place to be staff. Also, your claim of "power abuse" is ridiculous. Power abuse is the abuse of powers the staff members have. Posting tough criticism is not a power staff has, and therefore is not power abuse in any way. Staff don't believe they can do "whatever they want," and nobody is making that claim. However, staff members should not be disallowed from posting comments that other members are allowed to make. It really doesn't make sense, what you're saying, when you think about it. You're claiming staff is abusing powers because they may act rudely at some point, so does that mean members abuse their powers when they act the same way? Apparently so; members abuse their powers.

RXM-Tftman78 wrote:Staff is not only a title, but it is a JOB

Exactly, which why Trulife wouldn't be suited for it. He directly said, himself, that he wants to be staff to help people. As has been addressed over and over (Although I'm sure you just skipped over the posts that go against your views), he does not need a title to do anything he described, at all.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:01 pm

RXM-Tftman78 wrote:A staff member... two should never ever ever use harsh criticism no matter who it is or what they have done to you...

So it's ok for members to do that, but not staff, even though staff are supposed to act like members? Your logic is overwhelming sir.

Also, his name isn't Trulif3. How hard is it for you to look back at the first post to see how his name is spelled? If you're going to bother trying to "nominate" someone for staff, at least get their name right.

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:45 pm

i am with trulife all the way, i vote him to be on staff

i would really like to see this site cleaned up AND i would hate to have a great modder such as trulife leave the community.

kibito87 · Post by **kibito87** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:51 pm

tomg44 wrote:i am with trulife all the way, i vote him to be on staff

i would really like to see this site cleaned up AND i would hate to have a great modder such as trulife leave the community.

Voting and nominating one person for staff ISN'T going to change the whole community.

StalkingGrunt911 · Post by **StalkingGrunt911** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:10 pm

tomg44 wrote:i would really like to see this site cleaned up.

So if Trulife were to become staff the site would be cleaned? I'm pretty sure the staff that we have right now could easily take care of it.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:11 pm

tomg44 wrote:i would really like to see this site cleaned up

Trulife said that he wanted to be staff to help people, not to clean up the site.

D4rkFire · Post by **D4rkFire** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:20 pm

tomg44 wrote:i would really like to see this site cleaned up .

The site is already cleaned up, the staff right now do a very good job of that. Even if you don't agree with everything they do.

StalkingGrunt911 · Post by **StalkingGrunt911** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:24 pm

He hasn't even been here long enough to actually witness anything wrong with the site, I actually don't think there has been anything wrong or worth cleaning up here.

kibito87 · Post by **kibito87** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:34 pm

SG911 wrote:He hasn't even been here long enough to actually witness anything wrong with the site, I actually don't think there has been anything wrong or worth cleaning up here.

Words never spoken so true.

Trulife8342 · Post by **Trulife8342** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:24 pm

SG911 wrote:He hasn't even been here long enough to actually witness anything wrong with the site, I actually don't think there has been anything wrong or worth cleaning up here.

Are you talking about me?, if so well I've been here since mid 04, Now any ways, Tural is right, I do not need to be staff to help people. But my original point stands, which is to just have the staff lighten up, and become members of the site, pretty much get off of your high horses.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:32 pm

Trulife8342 wrote:But my original point stands, which is to just have the staff lighten up, and become members of the site, pretty much get off of your high horses.

If you plan to tell us to "lighten up," you're going to need to address all members, because standard members often act much worse than the staff.

Ragdoll · Post by **Ragdoll** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:40 pm

But my original point stands, which is to just have the staff lighten up, and become members of the site, pretty much get off of your high horses.

well put

StalkingGrunt911 · Post by **StalkingGrunt911** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:51 pm

Trulife8342 wrote:Are you talking about me?, if so well I've been here since mid 04.

Of course not

. You have been here longer than me but that Tom guy has only been here since last month, which is who I am talking about in that post. I thought it would be pretty obvious to who I was refering to.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:52 pm

Everyone starts out as a good mod, everyone seems to think they can do a much better job than the rest... People complain, but they never understand until they're in the responsible role...

RXM-Tftman78 · Post by **RXM-Tftman78** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:16 pm

kibito87 wrote:
tomg44 wrote:i am with trulife all the way, i vote him to be on staff

i would really like to see this site cleaned up AND i would hate to have a great modder such as trulife leave the community.
Voting and nominating one person for staff ISN'T going to change the whole community.

True but it could help! And also, modt of the time I talk trulife on aim so I always get mixed up by his names. Also i do know what flaming is tural, and I mean no disrespect to any of the current staff members. Really I don't, but it would be a good idea to lighten up a bit and be a bit more friendly with the members!

And yes standard member's here also flame a lot, and a lot of them do have attitude problems and do not know how to respond constructive criticism, on the other hand some if not most do not know how to give constructive criticism out either!

And Kirk I do agree with you saying

Everyone starts out as a good mod, everyone seems to think they can do a much better job than the rest... People complain, but they never understand until they're in the responsible role...

But I do believe that Trulife could handle this job, and has the patience and time to put into it.