does anyone know if...

CCB_Jahrizzy · Post by **CCB_Jahrizzy** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:26 am

well did they take it out?
i tried it and to no avail have i seen the face

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:43 am

yeah, i think they got rid of it.

DrXThirst · Post by **DrXThirst** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:34 pm

They should've left it in. It was actually pretty cool. If I'm not mistaken, I still have the video on my computer.

Shadow LAG · Post by **Shadow LAG** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:19 pm

they took it out because they felt it better to leave the masterchief "faceless" to preserve his expectations. It was just a short lived easter egg.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:21 pm

It was never Master Chief's face. It was just a typical Spartan face to add to the immersiveness. All beta permutations had a face under the visor, making it blatantly obvious that it was not Chief. I'm annoyed at the people who, for months, claimed it was John. It was not, it is not, and it was never meant to be.

fritz_da_monkey · Post by **fritz_da_monkey** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:37 pm

Isn't the face on the MC's texture though?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:41 pm

...There was only one texture in the beta, and it was only a multiplayer beta...

In the retail game, there are two textures. One for multiplayer, one for campaign. If the face is on both textures, it suggests that it is a generic face. If it is solely on the campaign texture, that is the only way anyone could possibly suggest it is John. But really, it doesn't matter. The face was in every permutation, and Chief does not use them, therefore, it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that it was not intended to be his face, specifically.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:11 pm

Were the faces on the other permutations the same top half of the head?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:20 pm

Yes. They were all UVW mapped to the standard Spartan texture.

fritz_da_monkey · Post by **fritz_da_monkey** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:39 pm

Are the modding tools that where made during the beta ever going to be released?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:45 pm

There was only like, 3. 2 were released, 1 doesn't even function anymore, as it had a login system and has now been disabled.

CDK908 · Post by **CDK908** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:41 pm

i was wondering if it was a bungie employee...but ya they removed it and i don't think it would be mastercheif.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:19 pm

Even if it was a Bungie employee, it would be entirely impossible to prove it. The texture was 22x30. It was essentially a skin-colored shape with two dark parts for eyes.

Tanasoo · Post by **Tanasoo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:14 pm

Yeah, it was mostly defined by the normal map, and that was sketchy at best. It's too bad They removed it. I was looking forward to the finished game where if you looked at the helmet from the side with while it was back-lit, you could see a face... That would be cool, but oh well =\

I can see why they would remove it. They probably didn't want all these people going: "hai look it r teh matster cheefz face oneoneone"

Dojorkan · Post by **Dojorkan** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:25 pm

Master Chief =/=Multiplayer Spartan.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:47 pm

Tanasoo wrote:I can see why they would remove it. They probably didn't want all these people going: "hai look it r teh matster cheefz face oneoneone"

Indeed. The general (Read: stupid) public can't handle something mysterious without blowing it out of proportion and making all sorts of ridiculous claims (See also: Recon).

Dojorkan, anyone who isn't a complete idiot is aware of that.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:49 pm

Also may have been due to the inclusion of the female voice

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:55 pm

One would be hard pressed to determine a sex based on the resolution of the image.

Shadow LAG · Post by **Shadow LAG** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:55 pm

Tural wrote:It was never Master Chief's face. It was just a typical Spartan face to add to the immersiveness. All beta permutations had a face under the visor, making it blatantly obvious that it was not Chief. I'm annoyed at the people who, for months, claimed it was John. It was not, it is not, and it was never meant to be.

Thats controversial, The beta face all shared the same model under the permutation. Unless proven by bungie the interpertation is up to you. I am also positive the face is stored in SP MC tags however single player was never freely available in the beta thus had to be distributed through multiplayer. Let your interpretation be what it is but you cannot turn to another person and factually say that "this is NOT john" as there is no proof there is or isn't.

fritz_da_monkey · Post by **fritz_da_monkey** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:42 pm

Tural wrote:Even if it was a Bungie employee, it would be entirely impossible to prove it. The texture was 22x30. It was essentially a skin-colored shape with two dark parts for eyes.

I just checked, and it is about 45x25 (the face part that is).

Was one of the tools that was capable of asset extraction ever released?