Bungie Weekly Update: 3/14/08

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:14 pm

Well, perfect for me, extremely late in the evening = normal evening for me

CabooseJr · Post by **CabooseJr** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:17 pm

If it's extremely late tonight then, I will just look have to take a look at it in the morning before my last day of school.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:13 pm

Avalanche, formerly known as Sidewinder.

It was noted that it's a stretch really to call it a re-make, there are so many differences, and I think it's pretty obvious that that's true.. In my opinion it looks quite a bit like a Containment/Sidewinder hybrid with a ton of changes included. Those man-cannon things look pretty sweet though.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:17 pm

Ugh. Avalanche is to Sidewinder as Guardian is to Lockout. The only map I wanted remade and it only gets a spiritual successor.

Well, I know what map pack I won't be paying for.

They appear to have completely scrapped every element of the cliffs and tunnels, meaning the only things they really took from Sidewinder is the U-shape and the snow. Damnit. One chance they had, one chance. All I wanted was a Coagulation for Sidewinder. That's it. Tombstone for Hang Em' High. Last Resort for Zanzibar.

No ice patches. No open field combat. No tunnel systems. No cliffs. It's just a U-shaped map with vehicles and bases. There looks to be no distinctive features that made Sidewinder great. Give me a video flythough or something, these pictures better not be accurate.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:22 pm

[quote="THE LIARSZ!1!"]We also haven

V0Lt4Ge · Post by **V0Lt4Ge** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:28 pm

[quote="ScottyGEE"][quote="THE LIARSZ!1!"]We also haven

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:34 pm

The map looks very good. I'll wait for the final map for me to really consider if its worth the money (I love sidewinder, my friends do too, but only I really pay for content so we wouldnt' be able to do a 5+ player match unless we all chipped in). But seriously, tanks and hornets as standard will be great. Another thing is forging it will be fun, I especially liked the Covie Vs UNSC battles.

Also [quote="Bungie"]And maybe this isn

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 pm

CTF with a Hornet? Are you kidding me? A flying vehicle with side seats better come with a 10 second self destruct timer to balance it.

This is probably the most frustrating thing I have ever seen Bungie do. Intolerable to ruin a map and claim it a successor. This is no more a successor than Containment was.

And yes, I am going to be stubborn about it. Unless you have an overhead shot or video walkthough, you are not changing my opinion about this crap.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:39 pm

These pictures look extremely unimpressive. As Tural said, I'd like a video flythrough or something before making any final judgments, but this map just looks and sounds...not like Sidewinder. It sounds like a cheap gimmick in an attempt to rekindle some nostalgia.

Also, I just noticed that there's a Wraith in this picture...they claim it was too big for foot travel in Halo 1...so they made it fucking immense? Mancannons aren't that fun Bungie, nor do they really solve much...

Also also, more size comparison/scale, Tural pointed out to me that in this picture, that tiny little purple dot is a Ghost...wow.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:42 pm

o hay we herd sidewinder was 2 big, so we maed it bigr and threw mancannons and tanks at it is it gud nao?

Sidewinder was one of the most well-balanced maps there was. It was challenging yet enjoyable. They tried to fix what isn't broken, and they ended up with a pile of parts on the floor strapped together with duct tape and string.

Fuck this shit.

This is an accurate assessment of my feelings towards this bullshit:

[01:45:15] GametagAeonFlux: They could have released Sidewinder.
[01:45:18] GametagAeonFlux: With the old BSP.
[01:45:20] GametagAeonFlux: And everything.
[01:45:23] GametagAeonFlux: It'd have been great.
[01:45:25] GametagAeonFlux: No.
[01:45:30] GametagAeonFlux: HIGH POLYGON GRAPHICS Y'ALL.
[01:45:37] GametagAeonFlux: *MODELS
[01:45:43] GametagAeonFlux: FUCK YEAH, GRAPHICS.
[01:45:46] Tural: MORE BLOOM
[01:45:48] GametagAeonFlux: WOOSH MANCANNONS.
[01:45:53] Tural: PEW PEW HORNETS
[01:45:55] GametagAeonFlux: NEEDZ MOAR GIMMICKS.
[01:46:12] GametagAeonFlux: 3X THE SIZE FOR 3X THE PLAYERS WHICH THE GAME DOESN'T EVEN SUPPORT.
[01:46:28] GametagAeonFlux: Now it's gonna be like Waterworks.
[01:46:32] GametagAeonFlux: You'll need 16 people to play.
[01:46:36] GametagAeonFlux: But who the fuck wants to play it?
[01:47:01] GametagAeonFlux: Sandtrap isn't even that fun, the Elephants are the stupidest gimmick that everyone got tired of 2 seconds after driving them in to each other their first time.

tl;dr: Welcome to the new Waterworks.

[01:49:04] GametagAeonFlux: I hope they just completely rape Blood Gulch.
[01:49:13] GametagAeonFlux: Or Battle Creek.
[01:49:21] GametagAeonFlux: Or whatever map people like from Halo.
[01:49:24] GametagAeonFlux: Remake a Halo 3 map.
[01:49:34] Tural: They should just fucking remake shared.map
[01:49:37] Tural: Empty box
[01:49:41] GametagAeonFlux: ???
[01:49:42] GametagAeonFlux: Profit.
[01:49:42] Tural: Fucking play this
[01:49:49] Tural: OH SWEET EVERY GUN
[01:49:50] Tural: OH WAIT
[01:49:54] Tural: GAMEPLAY BLOWS
[01:49:55] GametagAeonFlux: HELL YEAH VEHICLE COMBAT.
[01:50:04] Tural: Who ever thought we needed good gameplay!?
[01:50:15] Tural: Curse you premise of video games!
[01:50:17] GametagAeonFlux: Fuck dude I just walk around the maps by myself and fire the guns at walls and shit.
[01:50:28] GametagAeonFlux: What the hell else do you do in games?
[01:50:30] GametagAeonFlux: Play them?
[01:50:36] GametagAeonFlux: Graphics mang.
[01:50:41] GametagAeonFlux: They're interactive art.
[01:50:43] GametagAeonFlux: Not games.
[01:50:45] GametagAeonFlux: Silly bitch.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:49 pm

Those aren't ice-patches in the picture GTAF mentioned, are they? I thought so briefly, but they don't really seem flat enough and coincide with the shadows too much to be.

EDIT: As I mentioned previously, they don't need more frickin' big team maps. I don't want big maps, I want smaller ones with the potential to have more, not huge maps with no potential for less.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:54 pm

Kirk wrote:Those aren't ice-patches in the picture GTAF mentioned, are they? I thought so briefly, but they don't really seem flat enough and coincide with the shadows too much to be.

Fairly certain it's just more snow.

EvenCoolermatt · Post by **EvenCoolermatt** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:54 pm

It's a good thing I saved 800 points. I just hope the other map is also a remake.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:55 pm

I saw kirk's post on Bnet

You're happy

anyway, I would like a video walkthrough like what rvb did for turf etc (not heroic, that didn't help much). But I'm not feeling negativity towards it just yet. The tiny ghost is slightly concerning though. Might work though if the key mancannons are actually in key places.

But the last map better be lockout/small arena similar to lockout...I don't like epitaph or that one with the flood.

G.I.R. · Post by **G.I.R.** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:55 pm

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

;_;

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:01 pm

ScottyGEE wrote:I saw kirk's post on Bnet You're happy

Honestly I was OK with the map until Tural mentioned the lack of ice patches. You simply cannot have a map like this without ice patches to totally annoy the fuck out of you when you're rushing back with the flag on your warthog/mongoose only to be sliding across a bigass lake with a Spartan Laser trackin' you down and you can't avoid it.

EDIT: And hell, why not include destructable ice while you're at it?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:05 pm

Well we were given tiny pics not showing too much (which I find pretty odd...Where's the hi rez bungee?) of the overall level.

Snowbound has destructible ice

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:23 pm

Well if you're going there, then so does Narrows

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:53 pm

<_> icicles

unknownv2 · Post by **unknownv2** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:52 am

How would Human vs. Covenant work? Scorpion vs. Wraith? Hornet vs. Banshee? I just don't think this will work out well for the Covenant side.

Yes, I know they took out the missiles for the Hornet, but still turrets are better than plasma and a Scorpion would destroy a Wraith.