Professional Gamers

[OwnZ joO]

Gaming may be unhealthy and lead to unhealthy habits, but honestly being a professional runner is a LOT more unhealthy for your body.

Not so much your organs as your joints I would think, same goes for football, rugby, soccer, or any full contact sport.
I don't understand why everybody is so against professional gaming, I hardly play video games anymore, and I never considered myself a pro, so I don't take offense at this, but why are you guys so anti professional gaming? I just don't see why it makes any difference to you. There are a lot of people who call themselves pros that shouldn't, and they're cocky and annoying, but the true professionals really have skill and a lot of knowledge on playing video games.

[-DeToX-]

Well I just fail to see it as a profession.. I understand being good at games and all and playing events for fun, but for money?.. As a profession it seems ridiculous to me..

But some people would pay to see those events, thats why I guess the reason gamers are being paid is motivation for others' entertainment. Doesn't bother me... I just don't see myself supporting it.

[OwnZ joO]

I don't support it with my money or by watching it, I have no problem with it though.

The real professional gamers on a team with a contract from MLG make like 250,000 from their contract I think. Then whatever else they can get from local tournaments if they're allowed to play in those(I really don't follow pro gaming, so idk about their contracts), and teaching lessons if they do that. I mean if they really wanted to they could even get a part time job outside of gaming and really be bringing in the money. If you're good enough to be one of the very top gamers, then yes you can make it a profession, I mean honestly, some tournaments have huge payouts. Also, the gaming industry is pretty young, and doesn't have that many big sponsors, I think eventually there will be a lot more money in it too, so more and more people will be able to be payed well.

[GametagAeonFlux]

Don't tell me that there's no room to improve, look at a montage of a pro from when halo 2 came out, and then a montage of a pro a year or two after, you'd be like wow, I could have beat him in his first montage, but man he's just sick now...

Most of that shit is just because of the glitches people discovered, such as double shotting and BXR.

I'm so anti professional gaming because it's not a profession, it's just a fucking game. If you can go beat every game with no problems whatsoever, yeah you can earn that title. But for now, they're just better than average Halo 2/3/whatever players.

[DrXThirst]

Instead of going with what you think, you go with what your culture thinks?

But... that is what I think... What are you rambling about?..

Was that sarcasm back to my post?

So you always make comments about not being able to give your opinion, yet instead of going with what you think, you go with what your culture thinks?
Now, you may be thinking, "What if I just think the same thing my culture thinks? What if that IS my opinion?"
Then my opinion is you need you need too look at something as how hard earned it is, how much dedication is put into it and what it took to achieve that goal instead of what that goal is.

Or did you just not read the entire post?
And if you did both and still have the same opinion, then your hopeless and no matter how much dedication and time something took, if you don't agree with it, then it doesn't matter.

Say you don't like chocolate, then your grandchildren work really hard to make you a chocolate cake with your name in icing, etc. Would you just throw it in their face and say, "In my opinion, chocolate is nasty. I hate your cake. I don't care how long it took you or how much effort you put into it, I hate it."

No, you wouldn't. You would see that they put very much dedication into it and appreciate that your grandchildren would take their time to do such a thing for you.

The same concept applies to professional gaming. Just because you don't agree with it or like it, doesn't mean the people doing it should be disrespected. They use their time to practice and have scrims just as a football team or any other competitive sport for that matter, and their dedication keeps them going. Then, once tournaments come up, their hard work and dedication helps them win.

Same concept applies with all sports. They all have practice times and scrims and tournaments and players dedicated to take their time out of their daily schedule to practice with their team so that when that day comes of the tournament, championship, whatever -- their hard work and dedication will have prepared them.

It's A Perfect Circle and it's pointless arguing it.

[Tural]

tl;dr

I don't respect "professional" gamers. My opinion. You aren't changing it. There is no logic. That's just how it is. The end.

[DrXThirst]

You forgot to add the "Hmph" part at the end and a face closing their eyes, tilting their nose up and looking away.

I think I'm the only one on your level of arguing. Although, you said the end, and I'm not a moderator, so whatever.

EDIT :
tl;dr -- Literally, "Too long; didn't read"

Are you kidding me?
Whatever Tural.
You don't have to post here anymore.

[Tural]

As with many, you have to realize that some people are very concluded on their opinion. This is one of those cases. This isn't a chocolate discussion, and this isn't a place for an analogy such as that. I did not say I disrespect them, I said I don't respect them. It's indifference. I am unimpressed when someone says they are a "professional," I do not harass them about it. There is a difference between my actual feeling towards it, and what you think my feeling towards it is.

[DrXThirst]

So if you really just don't give a flying shit then what's the point in arguing with me about it?

I see now that you are saying that you aren't being derogatory towards them, but at the same time, you wouldn't care if someone you were playing with is 'pro' or not.

That is fine. All is good.

[Tural]

I had been trying not to argue with you, that's why I just stated my opinion and ended it. There is no point in arguing, because neither of us would get anywhere, so I didn't want to waste the time.

[Tanasoo]

Wow... I leave for a few days, and you guys come up with a topic like this...

Noun
S: (n) professional, professional person (a person engaged in one of the learned professions)
S: (n) professional, pro (an athlete who plays for pay)
S: (n) master, professional (an authority qualified to teach apprentices)
Adjective
S: (adj) professional (engaged in a profession or engaging in as a profession or means of livelihood) "the professional man or woman possesses distinctive qualifications"; "began her professional career after the Olympics"; "professional theater"; "professional football"; "a professional cook"; "professional actors and athletes"
S: (adj) professional (of or relating to or suitable as a profession) "professional organizations"; "a professional field such as law"
S: (adj) professional (characteristic of or befitting a profession or one engaged in a profession) "professional conduct"; "professional ethics"; "a thoroughly professional performance"
S: (adj) professional (of or relating to a profession) "we need professional advice"; "professional training"; "professional equipment for his new office"
S: (adj) professional (engaged in by members of a profession) "professional occupations include medicine and the law and teaching"

I don't think that would apply to people that play games =\ But then again, you can take a "sport" like Golf. When you break it down, it is pretty much like a video game. It doesn't require much physical strength, or endurance but rather thinking, and precise movements. So if you apply the same standards, you could have a pro video gamer.

Although, if I had a list of respect for professionals, "pro gamers" would probably be at the bottom followed closely by "pro golfers"XD.

[OwnZ joO]

Don't tell me that there's no room to improve, look at a montage of a pro from when halo 2 came out, and then a montage of a pro a year or two after, you'd be like wow, I could have beat him in his first montage, but man he's just sick now...

Most of that **** is just because of the glitches people discovered, such as double shotting and BXR.

I'm so anti professional gaming because it's not a profession, it's just a *** game. If you can go beat every game with no problems whatsoever, yeah you can earn that title. But for now, they're just better than average Halo 2/3/whatever players.

So you're saying the pros haven't gained any skill at all? That's rediculous, they have become far better and you know it, they have discoverd a lot of glitches and secrets that help them have an edge on their competition which make them win more of the time, generally you call that better... Also you can't deny that they have gained skill, and come up with better strategies for the maps.

The ones who get paid large amounts to play, where they don't have to hold another job are professional athletes, because it is their profession. I don't see how that is any different than a professional sport. The statement you made is the equilelant to this, until a professional athlete can play every sport professionaly with no problems whatsoever, then they can't have the title, professional athletes are just better than the average athlete. Well really now, pro athletes are just better than the average athlete???!!!!

[DrXThirst]

Also, I would like to get this point across. Many believe that the button combos / glitches / whatever you want to call them are cheating. However, why not look at it like a game like DOA?

I mean, you can't tell me that a button combo like "RRX-YY-RRX" is any different from a fighting style, triple kick from DOA. (I don't play that, so idk what to call it...)

Well, I guess you could argue that DOA is a fighting game while Halo is a FPS. Although, that still doesn't give someone a reason as to why they couldn't just learn to use the button combos and apply them in a real game situation.

[L0d3x]

1) @Ownz joo: Why do you consider gamers to be athletes?????
Why is there this need to make gaming a sport all of a sudden? Would this make gamers feel better about themselves, knowing they are actually, lol, sporting? xD

2) @DrXThirst: To me using the 'combos' isn't really cheating, but it sure takes alot of the fun out of the game since you aren't playing the game as it was meant to be played.

3) I agree with Tural on the whole culture thing, most people will never see gaming is a sport at all. It's just the way it is and nobody can change it. Of course the gamers themselves will call themselves, uhum, 'athletes'...

[DrXThirst]

Well, I can understand that, although at the same time, there are so many people doing it that you really can't play the game without learning how to use it. Once you can use them effectively and efficiently, then it gives you so much of an edge over the competition.

And I'm not so sure about the whole "Never" part. Because every year people are getting more and more "technologically advanced".

[L0d3x]

Hmm well I could see, in the far future when (if!!) virtuall reality becomes a reality, that people would become respected at doing that on a professional level. Cause then your own movements would be important and stuff like that. That would kind of be like paintball is today, and lot's of people would do it, I am sure, so it would probably get accepted by the majority of people.

As far as 'tv gaming' goes, at least in our times, it'll probably remain like it is now. Though admitadly in the future, when the 'old fashioned' folks are gone, gaming might be more widly respected.

[OwnZ joO]

When did I say they were athletes(if I did anywhere I didn't mean to), I said it is a profession, because they are paid to do it. I compared it to a professional athlete because that's what everybody else is doing, but I don't recall saying they were athletes, and if I did, I didn't mean to. Gaming is no more of a sport than golf.

[L0d3x]

I probably read to fast, apologies for saying you said this and that.
And okay, I can see gaming being at the level of golf and bar sports, but only because golf and bar sports tend to relax people.

This had become a rather interesting discussion might I add.

[OwnZ joO]

Gaming doesn't relax me, when I play I do it for intense competition, otherwise more often than not I'm bored.

[DrXThirst]

Well, even though I am a very competitive gamer, I can still relax and have a great time.

Try going into BTB and just drive vehicles around. Don't even try to win the game just laugh the entire time.